Re: [RC] Greenland

[David R. Block]

Yours is a largely unheard voice among the pew potatoes. It needs to be more widespread. David “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”--Thomas Jefferson     On 1/17/2013 10:36 AM, Chris Hahn wrote: I got my geology degree at a strongly Christian college.  I find no conflict with geologic time and the Christian faith.  Jesus spoke in parables.  There is no reason that the Genesis version of creation needs to be taken more literally than a parable.  If it understood that God created the heavens and the earth, then the details of counting exact epochs, years, or days is non-essential.  The key is the belief that it is God’s creation: the more magnificent the mechanism, the better.  It is hard to not look in wonder at the mid-Atlantic ridge (plate tectonics), a coral reef (limestone creation), or a majestic mountain range that is rising at a measurable rate.   Chris       From: RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com [mailto:RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bil...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:13 AM To: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com Cc: bil...@aol.com Subject: [RC] Greenland       The following article is interesting to anyone who is concerned with pre-history.  Or geo-history / geology + history. . It also provides evidence that so-called "young earth" creationism is fallacious. If, that is, evidence actually matters to some  people. . Other evidence doesn't seem to matter, like mid-Atlantic ocean ridges and sea-floor spreading,  with mirror-image magnetic patterns on either side of the ridge indicating an orderly process of sea floor expansion over millions of years. And there is the history of minerals like zircon, which point to an era billions of years ago when many examples of the mineral were formed. . Young earthers seem oblivious  to  all of this evidence, I guess they don't like geology. . The thing abut geology is that it works. What geologists say should be there, is there, based on empirical models /  geohistorical models. And so we have oil, coal, and all kinds of other valuable substances that can actually be found and recovered. Meanwhile the predictive value of the young earth hypothesis is zero. . .         Billy . . . _________________________________               Real Clear Politics / Real Clear Science   January 17, 2013 DNA Reconstructs Greenland's Lush Landscape By Anne-Katrine Faber Editor's Note: This article was provided by our partner, ScienceNordic. ... Imagine standing on a large green meadow scanning the surrounding countryside. On the horizon you can see a mountain crest rising. There’s snow on top of it, but around you, the landscape is green and lush with a host of different trees, plants and insects. Does this sound like Greenland? Not today’s Greenland, no. But finds of fossil DNA from soil residues embedded in the ice sheet have previously indicated that this was what Greenland looked like more than 400,000 years ago. The frozen DNA is not directly accessible, but using ice cores drilled down through the ice sheet, scientists have gained access to the base of the ice sheet. Astrid Schmidt is one of the few researchers in the world who works with DNA in ice cores. She recently defended her PhD thesis and currently works as a postdoc at the Centre for GeoGenetics and the Centre for Ice and Climate, both based at Copenhagen University. Her work includes determining the species of the DNA that’s buried in the ice cores to gather information about the biology of ancient Greenland. This is a job which brings her from the remotest regions of Greenland to the sterile laboratories in Copenhagen and which consists of working at temperatures well below the freezing point. New Methods for Fossil DNA Fossil DNA is normally found in permafrost because this environment acts as a natural freezer, which preserves the fossil DNA for posterity. But unlike permafrost, ice cores have a much lower concentration of genetic material. It used to be difficult to find any DNA at all in the ice, but this has now changed. Recent technical advances have enabled researchers like Schmidt to find far more genetic material than only a few years ago. ”It’s a bit like searching around in a soup using a magnet,” says Schmidt. “If the magnet isn’t strong, you only find the most frequently occurring elements. If, however, you’re using a really strong magnet, you can attract more elements and you get a much broader picture of what the soup consists of.” Different Plant and Insect Species Identified This means that scientists can now use ice cores to learn about past biodiversity. One of the results of Schmidt’s work is that DNA from a far wider range of insect and plant species has now been identified in the ice. One might wonder whether tiny amounts of biological material from an ice core measuring only ten centimetres in diameter can give an adequate picture of the entire wildlife in Greenland – a land mass covering an area almost ten times the size of Denmark. The explanation lies in the way the ice sheet moves. ”Since the ice moves slowly across the land, we now believe that the genetic material that’s accumulated at the bottom of the ice cores represents the biodiversity in a wider area,” she says. Climate Research Could Benefit Too Understanding past biodiversity is not only important from a biological and evolutionary perspective. Climate researchers can also benefit from it. Certain plant species, the so-called indicator species, only grow under highly specific temperature conditions. The existence of a plant species can therefore be used as a guideline for the temperature at the time when the plant grew. Scientists are hoping to use this knowledge as a kind of DNA thermometer. Since DNA is best preserved in cold conditions, the researchers believe that the genetic material they have found at the bottom of the ice cores stems from the period immediately before the climate grew dramatically colder and the ice sheet started to expand. In this way, the species tell us something about the climate immediately before Greenland became covered with ice, and the age of the DNA is used for determining when this happened. Covered by Ice for 400,000 Years Schmidt’s research has shown that northern Greenland has been covered by ice for longer than previously thought. There is a large degree of uncertainty when scientists determine the age of DNA, which is why it’s not easy to come up with a precise age at this point. However, the results so far indicate that Greenland has been covered by ice at least up to 400,000 years ago and possibly hundreds of thousands of years before that. The most surprising result shows that the ice sheet in northern Greenland did not melt away during the Eemian interglacial period more than 100,000 years ago, which was the most recent period with a warmer climate than today. DNA material from mammals such as wolves, deer or bears occur less frequently than material from plant growth, and Schmidt and her colleagues have yet to find any such DNA in Greenland. Perhaps DNA material from large mammals is buried in the ice, or perhaps it has already degraded. -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org