--- CmdrPier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I doubt we're getting the real story from the media. 

*I doubt the GW Bush administration is in charge or has it "under
control"  *But.. excuse me "Nation building" is not the formost skill of
the
US Army  and Marine Corps.  *That duty implies more diplomatic skill
and artful negociation.  

And that *duty is now in the hands of GW Bush? HA!

*Where is his expertese?  Who hired him to bust heads and build 
Iraq a Nation?


 From what I hear,
> the
> majority of the Iraqi people support us.

So what-

*Look around..  

More "Good Jobs" here in the USA have been lost since the Depression
hit history.   What's this re-build Iraq line of reasoning
when the truth is that many Americans have been out of work 
so long their un-employment has run out and they are off the
chart!

My kid told me he gets weekly invitation to join the US Military.

*Why is that the BEST course of action we as Americans can offer him?
*Why can't we guarentee an anual income to every citizen or have
free education and health care? ...because we beleve in a "free market?"
because we beleve in "trickle down economics?"  ...because it's all
about "Moral issues" and not humanitarian ethics?

Why do we stand so proud as Americans to wave the flag and look
the other way at the homeless people liveing under the bridges?

Why after a lifetime..  Do Americans face the prospect of their
old age "social security" going away?

*This the so-called "richest nation..."

We have plenty of guns.. 
and that may be good, because we have plenty of enemies!

*There's another way to live..

Less stress more time snoozeing at the beach in a sand dune<G>

-=Ace#1=-


  I do think there needs to be a
> reasonable exit strategy.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ace Numer- Uno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [RR] Why might there be more gun related deaths? Let's
> wonder...
> 
> 
> >
> > Bush ordered a harder line with reguard to the treatment of
> > Iraq resistance.. He did that because we choose to go it alone..
> >
> > (No UN assistance) and the US Media needed some good news on
> > the progression of the WAR.
> >
> > *I noted.. AND SO DID MY SON GME#3911
> > US Troops are begining to sound very much like Vietnam vets!
> >
> > *Let's cut our loses now and pull out of Iraq!
> >
> > -=A#1=-
> >
> >
> > --- Victor Zalakos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ahhh, I didn't know that.
> > > In all of the television footage we saw in Australia, all we saw
> were
> > > missiles going in and buildings coming down.
> > >
> > > Victor.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:21 PM 2/08/2003 +0000, Paul Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > >Considering they were told to come out and surender and didn't and
> > > started
> > > >shooting instead.  I don't think it was "cold blooded murder".
> > > >
> > > >I thought this was a Ranger's idea sharing area not some debate
> over
> > > the
> > > >gun issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Paul
> > > >
> > > > >From: Victor Zalakos
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: [RR] Why might there be more gun related deaths? Let's
> > > wonder...
> > > > >Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 06:46:11 +1000
> > > > >
> > > > >At 06:33 AM 2/08/2003 +1000, The Larrikin wrote:
> > > > >>Check out the Melbourne Age for a start.
> > > > >>I suppose the headlines of last month did not happen when it
> stated
> > > > >>that 2 crime figure
> > > > >>were gun down at a football match. And the murder of another man
> a
> > > > >>week later.
> > > > >>I will admit I did get the figures wrong, it's now 27, with the
> > > > >>murder of a man in Sydney
> > > > >>last night.
> > > > >
> > > > >Adrian has brought up some [uncited] isolated incidents of
> homicides
> > > > >that have occoured lately. Whilst it is true that statistics like
> > > > >gun related deaths [and unemployment, inflation etc] become
> relevant
> > > > >only when viewed as trends, it may be of value to speculate on
> why
> > > > >there seems to have been a flurry of gun related murders lately.
> > > > >
> > > > >It wouldn't have anything to do with the santioning of murder by
> the
> > > > >heads of the United Kingdom, Australia and the UNited States
> would
> > > > >it?
> > > > >
> > > > >Q: How do you deal with a problem Mr Bush?
> > > > >A: Shoot it down.
> > > > >
> > > > >Q: How do you bring people to justice Mr Howard?
> > > > >A: Shoot them down.
> > > > >
> > > > >Q: How do you give a fair go Mr Blair?
> > > > >A: Shoot first, look for bodies later.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am referring of course to the murder of the sons of Saddam
> > > > >Hussain. Images of their murder blazened on television and their
> > > > >bodies paraded before the masses.
> > > > >With modelling like that from our elected officials, how can
> two-bit
> > > > >tommy on the street understand the value of human life?
> > > > >
> > > > >He can't of course.
> > > > >
> > > > >Regardless of the crimes of these two men, murdering them in cold
> > > > >blood is wrong.
> > > > >It is evil and it is wrong.
> > > > >
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