I have been sitting back for awhile and reading the posts.
Consider this.
Give a full report on your Outpost. Let the Ranger ministry within the
church speak for itself. Show how many boys have given their life to
Christ, renewed their relationship with Christ. How many boys have been
helped by the ministry. Ask the boys to write a letter to you about how
Rangers have changed their lives. Also ask the Parents to do the same
thing.
When doing this do not give a reason for it, just tell them you would like
to keep it on file.
Give an account on the outreaches the Rangers have participated in.
In other words show the Impact that Rangers have had in the homes and the
community. But also show what the impact would be if there were Trail
Rangers.
But I say, do it with humility, Without threat, or force. Just present it
with Love.
If God wants to do more with Rangers in your church don't you think he will
possibly nudge the pastor through the Holy Spirit?
If not, the pastor still sees the work and effort that goes into Rangers,
He also sees the outcome. He also can see the impact that could be made in
the future with the Boys in Rangers.
I still have to realize that sometimes the pastor is so far away from the
core of Rangers that he doesn't see all of the benefits from it.
In the Lord's Service
Scott Tobman
#22, Indiana
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> From: Duane Wheeler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To: John I Evans
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> Subject: Re: [RR] Advice on GMA
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> *We need to re-think our insistence on getting our way with reguard to a
> traditional Ranger program if it breeds conflict or discouragement with
> the shepards of our fellowships..
>
> I heard the suggestion that parents should... or leave.. ect.
>
> Let me tell you that is no different than demanding pastor do something or
> you will (insert threat)
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>
> *Witchcraft is the manipulation of others for your desired means...
>
> The bible warns us not to raise a hand against God's appointed leaders..
> or sew seeds of discouragement!
>
> The Bible calls doing so.. an *abomb-ah-nation to the Lord, and that deed
> then lays at the same leval of sin as sexual perversion!
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> *Change is comming in part due to Ranger Leadership not being keen to the
> desires of church leaders to shape and build the church in a maner best
> facilitated by our current pastoral shepards...
>
> I know my warning has been stern... but be ready to think things thru
> before bringing a discourageing word or criticizum of current ministries.
>
> If we submit... and yeild, we can serve.
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> -=A=-
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> > James(rest),
> > There are some churches that don't allow 12yr old boys in
> Rangers, they force them to the Yth. Collinsville Ag is like that. The
> Sr. Pastor is a real
> > great guy, I know for I used to attended it. However he has a rule that
> saids that once you turn 12yrs old you have to go to Yth. I think it is a
> dumb rule for some don't fit Yth, but you gotta remember God put the Sr.
> Pastor in half charge of the church. I don't like the rule.
> > John
> > ---
> > LittleJohn FCF July 10th 99, Hudson bay group
> > Royal Ranger Straight Arrow Lt. Cmdr
> > Maryville 7
> > Royal Rangers May 96
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:18:43 BamaSrCom wrote:
> > >In a message dated 8/2/99 12:50:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >> The only problem is he will be 12 in Feb.. when he
> > >> turns 12 he will be forced into youth. No if, ands or buts about
> > >> it. In other words no more Rangers.
> > >
> > >I am sure I don't fully understand what is going on here. Are you
> saying
> > >that the church staff including the Pastor will not permit Rangers
> beyond age
> > >11 even if you had a Trailblazer commander. If this is so, then I
> think I
> > >know what the answer is. If the parents of such boys went to their
> pastor
> > >and told them how unhappy they are about this church policy and were
> > >considering moving to another church that is more Ranger friendly then
> I
> > >think some minds would change. I know how important it is to minister
> to all
> > >the boys and if this was my son and church had such a policy I would be
>
> > >looking.
> > > Just my humble opinion, James Styles
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