On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:14:29 -0700 Duane Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
>
> William J Marengo, Jr. wrote:
>
> > In contrast, there would be a lack of LOVE if we were NOT
> (emphasis) to
> > say anything at all. Children look at an adult who says they
> shouldn't
> > do something because it's wrong, as "you don't LOVE me". If you
> LOVE me
> > you would let me do it. That's love?
>
> No that's childish maipulation that flows out of selfish desires...
>
> When Adults play that game, with the intent to control or 'conjure
> an outcome
>
> thru influence or power- then that is Witchcraft.
>
>
>
> > We tend to have a childish
> > attitude towards those who want to warn us that we are moving
> away from
> > godly principles and practices. The cry is, "You are judging me,
> you
> > don't love me". No, I do love you and want to keep you from
> falling
> > away.
>
> *Assumeing the pureness of intent- on the part of the minister.
>
> The Bible contains judgement as well as freedom, and when a Preacher
> orders everyone under 18 to stand and come forward for *prayer, has
> he given every youth there the freedom to remain seated.. or is he
> contriveing
> a *spiritual moment?
>
> What comprises a Salvation prayer? what words do we say, in lockstep
> that binds the heavens? *Is it not a personal decision?
>
> The- acceptance of a gift?
>
> Do we demand people accept God's gift or curse their independent
> mind?
>
> >
> > No Johnny, don't cross the street. But I want to play with my
> friends.
> > Johnny! Don't cross the street! You don't love me, you always
> keep me
> > from my friends! Johnny turns in anger and runs across the street.
>
> Yea- or Johnny returns home because he respects the authority of his
> parents,
>
> even though it may be unfair, and plans to not treat his children
> the same
> way.
> *Zoom- the car passes and is forgot.
>
> >
> > Wham, he get's hit by a car. It wasn't the friends that Dad was
> worried
> > about, it was the car that was going to 'HIT" Johnny.
>
> I don't allways see the places my son will go, but I know his LOVE is
> linked to my heart, and I can't demand much more than that.... I want
> to bless him and have him prosper in ways that I will never know!
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > The moral of the story; " Listen to a word of warning in LOVE,
> before you
> > get hit by a the car of COMPROMISE. "
>
> Christians do a fair share of getting that wrong<G>
>
> *I get you- Compromise freedom to preserve control!
In reference to the last sentence above:
What? That's not characterizing my words correctly!
Who's controlling? Who's holding back anyones freedom? Who's saying be
controlled by the flesh and not have the freedom of the Lord (in the
Spirit)? Also, God's freedom is within boundries. He set boundries and
look what happened to Adam and Eve, they wanted to exercise their
'freedom' to choose, even if God 'warned' them.
I am neither an authoritarian, nor will I be "permissive" in my faith.
God is the authoritative one. He sets the boundries. I will not force
my will on another, they have to live their own faith. But as a brother
I can be his or her "keeper".
>From the 7 Promises of a Promise Keeper: Promise 7, "A Promise Keeper is
committed to influence his world, being obedient to the Great Commandment
and the Great Commission." Also, part of Promise 2 says, "understanding
that he needs brothers to help him keep his promises. " I'm sure there
is an HonorBound (AoG) equivalent.
We should influence and help each other to be accountable!
The Bible says in John 18:37 & 38: "You are right in saying I am a king.
In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world,
to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
What is truth?' Pilate asked."
The Pilate's on this net are always asking "what the truth is ". Take it
as judging or take it as a concern. All I was doing was giving some
cautious, "godly" advice. To use another favorite 'worldly' phrase, "it
all depends on how you look at it".
I could say more, but then, I feel I would be sinning.
In Jesus,
Will
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