Why do you think the Devil is having fun? Isn't it possible that he is
cringing because we are discussing God's word with the aim of better
understanding? Who said it was a mess? Why shouldn't theological ideas be
discussed? After all we are minsters to a select group each week.
"A magazine which is not outspoken, and is destitute of principle, is a
literary nuisance." Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Just thought I would throw that in.
Your major point is well said.
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:53:27 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Well:
>
>I guess I can't say anything without it turning into a mess. People
>we are
>debating theological idea's. Are you going to let the devil continue
>to
>have fun? My goodness!! I am getting so tired of having a difference
>of
>opinion become major points.
>
>
>Here is a major point.
>
> JESUS DIES ON THE CROSS TO SAVE THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW HIM SO THAT
>THEY
>WOULD NOT HAVE TO SUFFER AN ETERNAL HELL. THE FREE GIFT IS JESUS!!
>
>Enough said..
>
>Lets go back to playing Royal Rangers.
>
>Scott Tobman
>Indiana #22
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 2:45 AM
>> To: Soaring Golden Eagle
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [RR] KJV? Was: Baptism ?
>>
>> dear Soaring Golden Eagle:
>> Amen to that brother. I rmember a gretting card that said "there is
>a
>> destiny that makes us brothers". I know thats not scriptural but all
>born
>> again beleivers that profess the name Jesus Christ on their lips are
>> brothers (or sisters) no matter what theirdenomination or doctrine
>that it
>> being the doctrine of Christ. I chose Assemblies because the church
>I go
>> to I feel loved and sense the presence of the Holy Spirit. Whats
>nice
>> about it is I only have to walk a few hundred yards to get there. I
>read
>> the KJV and modern versions to betteer understand the content of the
>> scripture. What throws my Buckaroos off is when I quote scripture
>from
>> memory in Kings English. I am glad that God has blessed me with the
>> ability to read Kings English and understand it.
>> Randall A. Hermanson OP#1
>>
>> Soaring Golden Eagle wrote:
>>
>> Brother Paul, I appreciate most of your comments on
>RangerNet. It
>> seems
>> that we may not be exactly on the same page on some things,
>though.
>>
>> At 08:49 PM 1/30/99 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul
>Gallina) wrote:
>>
>> >������ We speak English. The King James is the inerrant
>inspired
>> infallible
>> >word of God for English speaking people.
>>
>> I believe that the Holy Bible, as inspired by the Holy
>Spirit and
>> written
>> in its original languages (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Chaldee),
>is
>> inerrant
>> and infallible.
>>
>> I believe that God has throughout history used imperfect
>vessels to
>> record,
>> copy, translate, and preserve His Word. Even a donkey can
>prophesy
>> correctly. Prophesying is no guarantee of salvation, either
>(search
>> the
>> Scriptures yourself and see). The manuscripts of the Holy
>Bible that
>> we
>> have available to us differ in details due to scribal
>copying
>> mistakes.
>> This may be unsettling to many, but it is undeniable.
>Fortunately,
>> these
>> transcription errors are generally easily corrected by
>comparing
>> different
>> manuscripts and considering the context. Scholars today tend
>to hold
>> to one
>> of three different views on what the text of the New
>Testament in
>> its
>> original Greek form was. The good news about these three
>views is
>> that they
>> are VERY close together, and ALL AGREE on the basis of our
>salvation
>>
>> through Jesus Christ and His shed blood. Indeed, the
>insignificant
>> nature
>> of these variations actually serve to confirm the
>reliability of the
>>
>> transcription of Scripture through time, and show much
>greater
>> reliability
>> than other works of literature.
>>
>> The KJV is a generally trustworthy and important translation
>which
>> has
>> great historical value, but I believe the translators
>"missed it" in
>> a few
>> places. Actually, the original publication of the KJV in
>1611 was
>> riddled
>> with errors and was edited in a manner that would be
>considered
>> sloppy by
>> current publishing standards. There was one infamous early
>edition
>> that was
>> called "The Adulterer's Bible" by some, because a typo
>apparently
>> left out
>> a "not" in the 10 Commandments. Oops. Later editions of the
>KJV were
>> better.
>>
>> Although there were some who objected to the KJV when it was
>first
>> released
>> because it was in contemporary common English of that time
>(although
>> a
>> little archaic in some of its language), and because it was
>new, it
>> eventually became widely used, accepted, and trusted.
>>
>> A lot has happened to the English language in the four
>centuries
>> since work
>> began on the KJV. Spellings changed. Rules of grammar
>changed, not
>> only in
>> word endings, but in usage and word order. Some words
>changed so
>> drastically in meaning as to mean the opposite of what they
>started
>> out
>> meaning. The English of the KJV is definitely not the same
>dialect
>> as any
>> living dialect of English used on the Earth today, except
>for a few
>> isolated uses in church and perhaps among some Amish people.
>English
>> is
>> only understood by about 10% of the Earth's population.
>(Mandarin is
>> the
>> most widely understood language, and there are over 6500
>languages
>> spoken
>> today). Of the people who understand English today, most of
>them
>> would have
>> great difficulty understanding KJV English. Thank God for
>the many
>> good
>> modern English translations that we have! What concerns me
>is that
>> there
>> are so many who have no Bible in their language, yet.
>>
>> > The Greek Orthodox ( not real
>> >familiar with it ) is worthless for us as would a Russian
>or Latin
>> Bible
>> >be.
>>
>> That is why it is so important that we continue supporting
>those who
>>
>> translate the Holy Bible into other languages, so that those
>who are
>> to be
>> saved may hear the Gospel in their own language.
>>
>> >������ The Catholic Bible is particularly distasteful to
>> Evangelicalism as it
>> >contains several spurious books ( Tolbit, Bel and the
>Dragon et.
>> al. )
>> >from which many of the heresies of Roman Catholicism come.
>>
>> I used to think that, but the Holy Spirit corrected me.
>>
>> Actually, the Apocrypha is not the hotbed of heresy you
>think.
>> Indeed, it
>> is helpful in understanding the 66 books of the Old and New
>> Testaments. I
>> would rank the Apocrypha as recommended reading - along side
>> contemporary
>> Christian books. I may not consider them as inspired in the
>same way
>> as the
>> 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, but they are worth
>reading
>> and
>> preserving. I have even heard some rather respected
>Evangelical
>> pastors
>> quote from a part of the Apocrypha on occasion in the
>process of
>> explaining
>> some history that helped set the background for whatever
>they were
>> teaching on.
>>
>> > Plus if you
>> >disagree with any of these teachings from Rome you are
>cursed and
>> on the
>> >way to Hell. I didn't say that the Pope ( who speaks in the
>place
>> of God
>> >) did.
>>
>> Some died-in-the-wool AG Pentecostals are going to be
>surprised
>> (pleasantly, I hope) when they get to Heaven to find Roman
>Catholics
>> there.
>> I'm sure the surprise may be mutual. The Bible never
>preaches
>> anywhere that
>> you have to agree with all of a certain set of church
>doctrines (be
>> they
>> Roman Catholic catechism or the 17 truths of the Assemblies
>of God)
>> to be
>> saved. No, all you have to do is confess with your mouth
>that Jesus
>> is Lord
>> and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
>and you
>> will
>> be saved. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be
>saved.
>> Now, I
>> do believe that sound doctrine is important, but your
>salvation
>> doesn't
>> rest on mental assent to 100% correct teaching or on your
>favorite
>> Bible
>> translation.
>>
>> I realize that there are a few people who consider the KJV
>the only
>> valid
>> English Bible. I encourage them to get the KJV Bible out,
>read it
>> regularly, and heed what it says. As for me and my
>household, we
>> will take
>> advantage of the NKJV, NIV, and other great modern
>translations. I
>> also
>> read out of my Greek and Hebrew Bibles.
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Michael Paul Johnson� aka Soaring Golden Eagle
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>>
>> <http://eBible.org/mpj> Rocky Mountain Outpost 207 New
>Creation
>> Church
>> Jesus Christ is Lord!� If Jesus came back today, would you
>be READY?
>>
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