In a message dated 10/30/99 4:36:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Subj: Re: [RR] What's the point - Reply, part II
> Date: 10/30/99 4:36:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> SpiritRider writes:
> Well, why don't you?
> If you go by way of money why not use Ranger dollars and let them pick
> and
> chose
>
> CmdrPier Replies:
> But, is it not still a "bribe?"
>
> SpiritRider Answers:
> Depends on how you look at it.
> If you had them buy items they really needed (merits, camp gear, etc.),
> I don't think that would be bribing. There really is no motivation in
> just giving away money. Sure the boys bring friends to Rangers to
> get the money, but is that a motivation? If you laid out some
> nice camp gear or Ranger items, that would be a deciding factor.
> It would tell you who's in it for the money and who's in it to reach
> the lost. If a boy was in it for the money, and saw he could
> only get camp gear or Ranger items. Do you think that boy would
> still be inserted in the program?
>
> CmdrPier replies, again:
>
> First, a bribe is giving anything of value for the performance of a
service.
>
> In this case, giving a ranger shirt for bringing a visitor is as much a
> bribe
> as giving 20 bucks cash. If you dangle anything of value in front of the
> boys, most will respond and virtually all will respond to cash. I see it
> our
> Ranger of the Year program. Yeah, laying out some nice camp gear may turn
> some heads, but that is not a barometer of who is in it for the dough and
> who
> is in it for reaching the lost. If they were in it for reaching the lost,
> this discussion would be moot as our outposts would be filled with
visitors.
>
> Children at those ages are self-centered.
>
> As for the camp gear, what do you do with the boy who likes rangers, does
> what is needed to earn the ranger bucks, but is not interested in getting
> camping gear? Remember the award is for the whole outpost, so a Straight
> Arrow could win. Now, what are the chances he wants camping gear? Cash is
> universal, but we don't just hand the kid a twenty dollar bill. We take
> them
> to the store and help him pick out something. What if the kid is poor and
> really wants a jacket because the one he has has holes in it? It isn't
just
>
> a case of handing the boy a twenty dollar bill. The Straight Arrow of the
> Year got a pair of roller blades. I let him since he had absolutely no
> interest in camping gear. The Buckaroo of the Year got a pocket knife, a
> 3-legged camp stool, and one of those multipurpose tools. He had moved to
> Pioneers and thus, he wanted that stuff.
>
>
> Kelvin Pier
> Sr. Cmdr.
> of the Mighty 34th
> from the Penn-Del District
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Cdr Mike here,
What i will plan on doing, is assigning a worth to each advancement,
activity, special favor, and item of importance, but also having a system of
where he earns negative amounts for bad behavior. I'm not going to penalize
the boys for not completing an assignment, but they just would get what they
earn. If they are disruptive they get docked. I won't take points off for
uniform infractions because that just gets into petty silliness, but I would
give points for each correct item on the uniform, (not Patches because I
already have those situated for them) like belt, socks, shoes, trousers,
type of tie, proper wearing of the headgear, (though that is optional)
cleanliness, etc.; I'm going to whip this all up on an Excel spreadsheet to
see how it looks on paper. The boys would get a certain amount for showing
up, bringing friends, going to powwows and other stuff, trip, pine car races,
etc.; but I'm in the planning stages on this one.
Blessings,
Iron Mike
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