Duane, rest assured I will not charge up to my Pastor and challenge him re
what you or most anyone (that does not include my husband) says.
Though it has been said the offensive quote was not sound doctrine. I know
the heart and anointing to rests on my Pastor. I love him and is wife very
much, I cover them in prayer and would never do anything to disturb that
precious anointing.
It is not my place to challenge my Pastor. He is my shepherd here on earth.
I thank God regularly for the shepherd he has placed us under.
There have been too many signs and wonders and also too much seeking of the
Lord's face (if you seek only the hands you loose the favor, for where the
face of the Lords is there is favor)for me to question him over this one
quote.
First and foremost he is merely a human. More importantly he is in
authority over me as the Lord has placed him and as my husband has placed
him. If I disturb that coverage of anointing then woe to me for the
consequences.
I am sure I will get some interesting replies from this, but I don't care.
I have come a long way in learning to be submissive and surprisingly I have
found I like it (a couple of years ago I would have choked on that
statement). Re: submission--it is very new to me and the funny thing is now
my husband doesn't know what to do. If we have a tiff, I look at him and I
say I'm sorry for whatever I have done to upset you and I ask your
forgiveness and I forgive you for how you are making me feel right now.
Then I tell him I love him and walk away while he stands there
stunned--<LOL> I Love the Lord!
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Wheeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:03 PM
To: Gist, Kelly
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RR] Impact
Gist, Kelly wrote:
> To all I am thankful for the replies received as I thought those two
quotes
> were very different then the usual views they struck me and if as you say
> the first quote is false doctrine (I will have to read up on the issue for
> myself) then it would be the first time I ever heard such a thing coming
> from my pastor. However I do have to say he was not being malicious I
> believe the baby issue is a utmost to him.
*Warning-
Do not quote me as the final word or use my reaction as a wedge
in any way to dispute your Pastor... My opinions are free and easy,
and I come from a long line of sermons where statistics are used for
drama with little evidence to back them.
*As an "example"-
I've heard Ranger men, in dist. and regional roles quote to me about
some official "Policy" and have it come a surprise that they had never
*seen such in writeing....but mearly assumed such and so on.. and suggested
that I was somewhat insolent to dispute their words...
*They find it usefull to "preach" a certian logic string... *say- that
"Rangers
is about Men and Boys, and what part of that do I have a "problem" with..."
...and I frankly saw that it wasn't going to bless the program for me to
call them on their words, though I personaly knew them to be short sighted.
*Like JFlory points out-
Man made doctrine is likely to be riddled with error...
>
>
> As for the second quote I was not meaning to be judgmental of anyone but
> myself.
> <I am ashamed of myself for my lack of impact.
> and I am. (Brian I appreciate your word re: this)
>
> I am thankful for that verse in Jeremiah. I just never thought before of
> God being a witness against me. I pray that he has a good testimony on
that
> day to come.
>
> Finally, thank you for saying what you said in love and not in flames.
Very
> nice.
I've just come from a old-line Pentecostal family dinner that had 'problems
with fleshly trivia and scripture to back their criticizum... My feeling was
that we should keep makeing the main thing, the main thing and not get
so hung up on "shall we drink Coke from the bottle or a Glass- What would
Jesus do?" *I'm prone to flame ignorance, but compelled to LOVE
a brother or sister in Christ who asks a good question...
There fer-
*Have a nice day<G>
-=A=-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Wheeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [RR] Impact
>
> Gist, Kelly wrote:
>
> > Last night pastor Cody quoted Ms. Ellen Parsley (World Harvest Church
> mother
> > of Rod Parsley) from an altar call she made not long ago..."Your vote is
> not
> > about the money (jobs), your vote is about the babies (abortions). If
you
> > voted for a candidate who is pro-abortion then you as a Christian must
> come
> > down to the altar and repent because the blood of the babies is on your
> > hands."
>
> *With all respect due-
>
> That is a false doctrine.
>
> *If nessecary I'm explain, but please look to the damage that would
> come from a schizem or *condemnation of others for their public
> *vote.
>
> In my heart I plead for *Love to bridge the gap of understanding and
> wish blessings on the lost and that light would lead the way.
>
> >
> >
> > Opened my eyes and made me think of how responsible we are for how we
> affect
> > this nation.
> >
> > Another quote I heard I believe from Chuck Coleson was he quoting
> statistics
> > from a poll as to number of Christians "there are over 67,000,000
> > Christians" and their purpose "what kind of noticeable impact have they
> > made? Not noticeable"
> >
> > Scary. My immediate thoughts were --What if we weren't here, it would
be
> a
> > whole lot worse than it is now!
> >
> > Now I think that is pretty sad. If we are the salt of this earth that
the
> > Word says we are, we should be (with 67,000,000) making hugely
noticeable
> (
> That is not for you to judge... your job is to Love God and love others!
> *Be Free!
>
> >
> > Not for bragging rights "look how many I got saved today" no, for not
> having
> > the fire, the boldness and the shamelessness needed for Jesus Christ and
> > going out there and making a change. I have had so many ideas on how to
> > make changes and what have I done with them? I know those ideas were
not
> > mine they were blessings that I have not used. The way that statistic
> made
> > me feel is like I was lukewarm and about to be spit out of the mouth of
> God.
>
> Please think through that...
>
> *God would not have you feel "lukewarm" or lacking grace, but rather who
> would benifit from your discouragement? *right.. the 'enemy
>
> >
> >
> > It is time to make impact. I will be putting this to the forefront of
my
> > lessons in our meetings. I don't know yet how I'll do it but I will
pray
> > and hope that God will give me the words to get these boys up and out
and
> > making impact otherwise there will be a lot more blood on my hands that
I
> > will have to answer for.
>
> As Christ followers we must allways be crystal clear in our "ministry to
> kids" for the Bible has strong words for those who would mislead them,
> *so we take a risk! *But also we are called to "share"... and we all can
> do that, and let the HolyGhost guide us.
>
> >
> >
> > I was reading in I think it was Jeremiah 29. God was talking about the
> sin
> > he saw and heard and at the end he says "I know it and am a witness to
> it,"
> > declares the LORD". That really scared me having the Lord be a witness
> > against me. I started praying "Lord, let me be the type of person that
> your
> > son Jesus can advocate not that you can witness against." There was
more,
> > but that was between he and me.
> > Don't know why I wrote this, just felt compelled. Hope it blesses
> someone.
> >
> > Kelly
>
> Right<G>
> Rangernet holds many messages for others that are ment to bless...
> Just relax, and let it go<G>
>
> Good Word!
>
> -=A=-
>
> >
> >
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