For one thing, the satisfaction ratio is 75/25, not 70/30. Why don't you try telling us what Jesus' satisfaction rate was, since you got that WWJD slipped into your post. Then try to match His. If you do, you will be ridiculed, lied about, and falsely accused alot more than NTC ever has been, because, my friend, our Lord's satisfaction rate was not to good according to the bible I've been readin'. First message He preached they took Him to a cliff to throw Him off. When He hung on a cross there were alot of people wagging thier heads at Him but no one took up for Him there. This world was not too satisfied to have Him around. My point is that I won't give you or anyone else two cents for your satisfaction  or approval, it comes from God. Try going around pleasing 100% of people all the time and you're going to be in BIG trouble. You need to pay a little closer attention to that Psalms 118:8, and practice what you're preachin'.
     For another, I was  JLTC in 1980 as a boy and saw knotty there, so he just didn't happen to turn up here lately. That old codger didn't bother me one bit 'cause I didn't let him close to me. I will guarantee you one thing, though. I'd bet that JLTC in Louisiana was twice as tough as any NTC you'll see today. And this 15 year old runt didn't go crying home to mama, he went home a man.

For a third thing, these national camps have been around longer than most of us. They have been run by Spirit filled people, for the most part. (I will let on that I have been to one or two that had staff on it that needed to get saved). Let me ask you this: How much time have you spent on your knees praying for these wayfaring NTC staff members, these perpetrators of such woe and misery? And what did they say when you went to them first, like the Word of God says, and confront them? And what did thier pastors say when, after you did that, and they refused to repent, and you took with you two or three witnesses? Certainly you, who know how many verses the are in the bible and which one is in the middle, would have followed these steps as laid out there before you had to resort to this last step, and accuse these brethren before the entire world.
     If these camps  are the scandle that some of you make them out to be, where is 20/20, Nightline, Primetime, 48 hours, and all these people the devil uses to make a mockery of the Christian faith? Maybe he has them on more important assignments than to tear down the Christian church because the Christian church is doing that for him. You people make me sick, who are talking about something in the Body of Christ sounding fishy. Especially in your own fellowship. Right here on a list that I would hope was created to help build this ministry, not tear it down.
     We are supposed to be in a battle against the enemy for souls. Now if I was in a foxhole with the enemy all around me, do you think that you are the kind of person I would want watching my back in a spiritual battle?

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark W Jones
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RR] knotty

Sounds kinda fishy doesn't it.  Seems Knotty is in our JLTC and boys
camps as well. It makes you wonder what else they order people not to
talk about.  Shamefull.  They are teaching some things at NTC, because
they are turning up in our Advancement and JLTC and LTC campouts.  NTC
camps have a 70% satisfaction rate.  The other 30% consider NTC less than
satisfactory.  I learned this last week that Spotty
used to be at the JLTC camp.  You know his cousin         of course.

Spending 2 1/2 days miss treating someone out of 3 day campout to show
them how not to treat boys...what can you expect.  Don't know that Jesus
ever did that.  I challenge anyone to comeout into the light.  If it will
stand that test then it will stand for what is right.  No need to hu    
up or order anyone to keep it under their arm pit.

Jesus said the GREATEST of these is LOVE.  I will stand to attention on
that one.

Did you know that the center of the bible is Psalms 118.
Shortest Verse is Psalms117
Longest Verse is Psalms 119
There are 594 Chapters before Psalms 118
There are 594 Chapters after Psalms 118
Add these numbers up and you get 1118
What is the center verse in the Bible:  Psalm 118:8  "It is better to
trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man"
WWJD

>   I just saw a couple messages about "knotty"  I went to NTC and our
> whole
> group was ORDERED not to mention anything that happened in or about
> NTC
> except to anybody else who has gone.
>   I take everything that I learned at NTC to heart more than
> anything
> because that was my first time to do an overnight campout (kinda
> rough but
> wouldn`t trade a minute of it for anything).
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