I ask these questions to make each of us better prepared to be ready to handle a situation. Sometimes parents are not reachable.

What do you do with the boy that just got back from the doctor the week before and is taking antibotics that must be taken each day 3 times a day? Or the boy that has had alergic reaction to a wasp sting and was told he needed a quick shot in the future or he might die?

What do you do with the new boys that come with the regular rangers? (incouraging boys to bring friends on campouts will grow your outpost)

Or your going on a swimming campout and the old medical release has the questions...but the parents were not as interested in that part of the form as it was in the middle of Jan when they filled it out...and here it is July and your heading for the lake...Parents pay more attention to water activiy questions..when there kid is going to the lake... these are things I learned through lots of years of doing this stuff.

The new church I attend uses this method and in the past 7 months we have been on more outting with out boys permisson slips/medical release froms than I ever had in 30 0uttings a year in a 9 year period and some of these I had over 65 men and boys there.

A system that requires a permission slip and med release form signed by the parent each outting covers these bases and does it very well. Besides you have a check off list, you have current contact numbers, current cell numbers and you get these updated at every outting.

I have had parents thank me for being a stickler on these items. It makes them feel more secure knowing that someone has the latest and greatest information concerning their son. After the outting I take the checkoff list and record the outting in the computer. Take the permission slips, med release and tear it up and throw it in the trash.

Just before I got saved 15 years ago. I had my nephew and niece down at the lake pulling them behind my ski boat. We went over a wave and they knocked heads. Split my sisters daughters eyebrow right open. This was before the days of cell phones. At the hospital... 20 miles away they told me I was no one. Unless I had a permission slip and medical release form signed by sister they could do nothing for her. It was not a life threating situation...that falls under a different rule.

Bottom line is we need to be ready. I felt bad when my little niece is sitting their crying and I could do little to nothing to help while we tried to locate her mom and dad for permission for the hospital to take the pain away. It made a believer out of me.

Thanks for the good questions and responses. It makes us all think about it.

Mark Jones


----- Original Message ----- From: "David Swain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] Medical information privacy


Right, wrong, indifferent, here is what we do:

The new Navigator program makes this much easier once entered. The medical release forms are printed after the first of the year to expire at the end of the year. Lots of insurance companies issue new cards the first of every year. The forms are turned into the Ranger office where 2 copies are made. The original is given back to the Outpost Commander and put in a red (easier to see) binder. One copy is put in the office binder and one in the Sr. Cmdrs binder. The group Cmdr and I each carry our binders to every outing (in case of getting split up or different vehicles) and the other is left for Pastor or someone else if something happens and it is needed. There is also a copy of the roster of who when on the trip left with the binder.

The Ranger office is locked unless a Cmdr is in there, and each Cmdr keeps the group binder in their possession.


Dave Swain
Senior Commander
Outpost 89
Northeast Section Deputy Commander
Potomac District
Bethel Assembly of God
Martinsburg, WV
----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: DJ<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
 Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [RR] Medical information privacy


 In the Successful Outpost Module it clearly outlines you get a "FRESH"
 permission slip and medical release form for each boy for each outing.  I
 agree totally.

A medical release form stuffed away in someones desk at a locked church at
 9:30 pm and one is with his outpost 35 miles away isn't going to do much
good especially if the boy has medications he is supposed to be taking and
 you don't have a sheet on that... when, how much, ect..  I have seen this
 system time and time again have boys on outings with no permission slip,
 medical release from in the leaders possession.  To me this isn't smart.

I made a simple policy change in this respect and it worked very well for a lot of years. Every outing must have a signed permission slip and a signed medical release form before they will be allowed to go... we made that goal
 almost always.    I told the parents we would be going on 12 outings this
year make a dozen copies of the medical release and if nothing changes just
 hand that back in.  Worked great and I had the latest contact and medical
data current to that day. I have not seen a system that worked better than
 this.

 Each outing the papers all went in a 3 ring binder and it had a money
envelope, checkoff sheet that had each boy in the outpost listed and check box for medical release permission slip and paid and left check boxes. One could do roll call, and have the boys that took meds highlighted all handy
 and ready to go.

 This is a free download....The Ranger Database does this and prints off a
medical release form that is custom fit to each church, outpost etc. All I
 ever kept from a event was who attended and that was tracked peerlessly.
Almost all paperwork was thrown away after the event because it was STALE.

 My two cents.

 Mark Jones

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 sites.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:30 PM
 Subject: [RR] Medical information privacy


 > Greetings in Christ!
 >
 > An interesting discussion came up at my last leaders meeting at Evangel
 > Temple AG in KC, MO.
> It seems some of my leaders are concerned about the privacy of the medical
 > information we gather and how it should be protected.
> I've been checking out Ranger Navigator, a fairly new database system by
 > Ray
> Skinner, (www.rangerdepot.com<http://www.rangerdepot.com/>) its fantastic and of course it has a
 > complete
> section on medical information for each boy. I thought it was a great idea
 > to keep this information stored in the database, but then I realized I
 > intended for any commander in the outpost to be able to use Ranger
 > Navigator
 > to keep all of our records current so everyone would have access to the
 > medical stuff. On the other hand, I feil that any medical information
 > about
> boys in our outpost should be made known to any commander who was going to
 > be responsible/spending time with that boy.
 > My dilemma is basically the security of this information.
> I am almost certain we do not fall under the 1996 federal Health Insurance
 > Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), however I was hoping that
> perhaps someone has some solid, legal knowledge in this area as to how we > are required to handle the medical information we collect. In the past, I > have always kept these medical forms in a folder in my desk. Common sense > would dictate it not be available to the general public, but should it be > locked up? Do staff church members have a right to see the information? Is
 > there "official" guidelines on who has a need to know?
 >
> Contributors to this discussion should refrain from expressing opinions,
 > everyone has an opinion on this very sensitive subject. Sound,
 > researchable
 > information will greatly benefit us all. I would also be curious if the
> national office has any policy regarding this, perhaps in an LTA training
 > module I haven't taken yet.
 >
 > in His service,
 > All for the glorification of His kingdom
 >
 > DJ Hall
 > Senior Commander
 > Outpost #78
 > Kansas City Section
 > S. MO District
 > Gulf Region
 > www.rangerdj.com<http://www.rangerdj.com/>
 >
 >
 >
 >
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