On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:47 +0000, Ross Gardler wrote:
> 2009/2/13 Stefan Bodewig <[email protected]>:
> > On 2009-02-12, Robert Burrell Donkin <[email protected]> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 14:24 +0100, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> >>> On 2009-02-12, Gavin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>>> The problem I see is that RAT will never leave the Incubator without some
> >>>> progress.
> >
> >>> We might be too comfortable here.
> >
> >> possibly
> >
> >> i was asked to move RAT here by fellow members. RAT had become important
> >> to apache and control by the foundation was necessary. as far as i was
> >> concerned, the incubator was just a means to that end.
> >
> > I know.
> >
> >> it was much easier for me over at googlecode.
> >
> > Why is that?
> 
> Any thoughts?

i liked the short, easy release cycles 

> I think a release is in order. Perhaps someone can build a release candidate.

+1

volunteers?

> > The only thing that is slowing us down is that we are not trying to
> > move at all.  That nobody of us has any clue of where RAT would fit in
> > is big part of that.  I have no idea myself.
> 
> I'm not sure either, but then it's not really ready to leave the
> incubator. We need users who are going to add features 

RAT works well enough for existing users to have unsufficient motivation
to code new features

the problem which lead to RAT's creation seems to have been solved by a
combination of the existinance of RAT, improvements to the incubator
system and fixes to Maven

of the features i would like to see, when i looked into them i doubted
that they were a good fit for the RAT code base. most likely, i'd end up
patching libraries elsewhere and then just adding dependencies, or else
creating a new micro application for them.

> and polish.

polish takes energy :-)

> Perhaps we should set something up that will scan all projects in the
> incubator and provide reports. 

scan does something similar that for the distribution directories. i
would like to see this released since i think it satisfies a real need
at apache. 

that's something i had in mind. to do this properly requires (i think)
detached descriptors, improved binary recognition and jar-license
bindings. we need a RAT release before these features could be added.

> We should think about encouraging
> people to bring other audit work into this project too (i.e. the work
> that creates http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html could, possibly,
> be usefully be applied here)

a big +1

- robert


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