> But its ALREADY been flagged as spam by spamassassin. So what's > the point?
For you acting alone, there IS no point. But for the group of people using Razor, there is very much a good point in reporting it. Like with any such mass-reporting system, it's only as effective overall as the numbers of people who contribute to the signature database. > At the risk of earning the wrath of this list, I'd like to point out that > the Emporer has no clothes! ;-) It does, but not all of the vestments are perhaps things you would normally "see" as clothing. > If Razor relies on people submitting known spam, and the overwhelmingly > vast majority of those submitting spam do so from automatically trapped > spam For myself, only spams of a certain sort are automatically submitted. I've audited the submitted spams for accuracy, and not a single false positive was ever reported by me to razor. > Now for truly MISSED spam, this might make some sense, but its > far better to train your own bayes filters (which will have immediate > effect) than submit it to razor in the hopes that someone else will > also and slowly its razor score will rise to the point of being labeled > as spam. Bayes isn't always effective. I'm seeing alot of very short spams designed to give Bayers as little meat to work with, thus proving very slippery indeed. Razor can still help with those. > But for things already trapped by spamassassin (or any other tool) > feeding razor seems rather altruistic, it will never benefit the > submitter but it might help OTHER people who ONLY uses razor. I would highly doubt there are any people who SOLELY use razor for their spam-tagging. It's certainly possible, but everyone I know uses Razor in conjunction with other tools to "add to the score". In an informal study, I've found that razor has never added Spamminess scoring to any legitimate email. > More effective > help for those other people would be to get them a more effective > spam filter and save the bandwidth of submitting spam to razor. Passive (self-complete) technology isn't the best answer to deal with spam. S-A and other such tools exploit the fact that most spams have a recognisable form and phrasing. It's only a matter of time before the Spammers adapt accordingly. One thing the spammers can't avoid is the object of their peddling, ergo, thousands and thousands of people are essentially getting the same "core" message, no matter how it's phrased. Razor, DCC (www.rhyolite.com), etc are long-term a better mass identification strategy, and also result in zero false positives irrespective of content. > Ok, I'm in my bunker, - - Fire away. ;-) Nah, you're just wearing foggy glasses. I'd offer you a kleenex, but you might prefer the view already! :) =R= ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps & Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356&alloc_id=3438&op=click _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
