> From: "Eneko Lacunza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So this means that spammers can easily blacklist any domain they wish... > :) Quite curious. It seems I can't do anything about this, really. Clearly you misunderstand what Razor is and how it works.
Agreed he had misunderstood at the start of the thread but already clarified in this thread, and Eneko was speaking correctly in the above message. Note that the above statement was in regards to URLs, not email addresses or mailservers.
Clearly you misunderstood the later parts of the thread, or you misunderstand how razor works now that e8 exists.
For starters, razor works with individual messages, not entire domains. In other words it isn't and doesn't try to be an RBL list.
That's not entirely true. Whiplash does wind up working as a RBL, but against weblinks. Razor can not be described as domain agnostic anymore for this reason. Razor now has many of the same features as surbl.org's URIBLs.
It's still message content based, but it no longer requires two messages to be similar in text, merely that they contain similar URLs. The primary criteria for similarity seems to be mostly based on the domain of the link, but there are a few other bits included. I have yet to construct a two weblinks to the same site that did not get the same e8 result, although theoretically that is possible as the hashes do change slightly when you modify the path and file parts.
If all of your mails are being flagged as spam, there is probably a darn good reason for it.
The reason wound up being whiplash listing all messages processed by a particular vendor's AV scanner, because that AV adds a URL to the scanned messages and someone running the AV product got abused. Perhaps you should revisit the rest of the thread.
Furthermore, Razor NEVER BLOCKS ANYTHING. EVER. It simply flags any given message as POSSIBLE spam. It is still the end user that decides wether to accept or reject the email.
True, but largely irrelevant to the argument. FP problems in razor are still FP problems, even if it is the end-user's choice as to what to do about razor tagging, it's still a problem.
All spam filters and blacklists can make the claim of never blocking spam ever, and it's up to the user to implement them. Razor can be used as a sole criteria of MTA layer reject if the user wishes, just like any DNS blacklist or any other spam tool can.
The fact that it can be used however the end user wishes is not a "get out of FP free" card.
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