+1 well said
On Nov 23, 7:03 pm, MichaelH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me put my two sense in here. I have a Ram, but, after much
> thought passed up the AHH for the Ebisu from Jitensha, which is very
> similar to the AHH, but with different brakes, braze-ons, paint, and
> price. I'm betting the two ride quite a bit alike.
>
> Obviously, either bike can be set up quite differently. The Ram, no
> doubt, would do fine as as a light touring bike, and can do quite
> nicely on dirt roads with either 32 or 28 mm tires, but it really
> lends itself to a straight forward road bike, with or without fenders,
> and a small or mid size saddle bag. That's the way I have my Ram set
> up, and it climbs, descends, and cruises very much like my 1988
> Marinoni, which is a bike with world championship pedigree. I'm sure
> I could also set up the Ebisu, or an AHH to ride almost as well, but
> it really excells as a commuter, tourer and back road bike. It is
> very stable at slow speeds, which is essential for climbing hills
> during rush hour, and I would choose it for all day on dirt roads, or
> a ride across America. I see the Ram and AHH as complimentary, not
> competitive. Wheel & tire choices make a world of difference.
>
> So the bottom line is, Riv could market the AHH with more emphasis on
> its road strengths, but I think, resources permitting, that offering
> the Ram a a straight forward, wind at your back, road bike and the AHH
> as a versatile commuter / country bike makes a lot more sense. I love
> them both.
>
> The AHH long reach brakes are economical, but once you spring for
> that much of a frame, the price of a set of Paul's cantis is small and
> will out perform the silver brakes, so I question Grant's decision to
> invest so much of his design effort around that brake selection.
>
> peace,
> michael
> westford, vt
>
> On Nov 23, 1:40 pm, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's why I compared the ride of the Ram with 32mm tyres to that of
> > the Atlantis with 26x1.25 tyres.
> > That's the closest to comparing "apples to apples" as your going to
> > get. When you do that the Ram is far
> > better than the Atlantis on the road and only marginally worse that
> > the Atlantis on dirt. So It's the bike
> > I choose for most of my riding. If I was putting 50lbs of gear on the
> > back or if I was going on an expedition over
> > rough ground I probably take the Atlantis.
>
> > On Nov 23, 10:30 am, "Mitch F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I think we are comparing tire sizes more than bikes.
>
> > > The only real comparison is if you use the same wheel/tire combination on
> > > both bikes inflated exactly the same.
>
> > > I have three sets of wheels and four tires for my Romulus, 25mm, 28mm,
> > > 32mm and 35mm. Each tire size makes a world of difference.
>
> > > I think a better comparison might be made with, say, 28mm fully inflated.
> > > A fatter, softer tire might tend to hide differences in the feel between
> > > the models.
>
> > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > From: usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Is the Ram the closest thing to perfect bike? I
> > > > think so.
> > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" <[email protected]>
> > > > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:29 AM
> > > > Obviously tyre size has a big effect. Sometimes I ride the
> > > > Atlantis
> > > > with 26x1.75 Schwalbe Marathons
> > > > over dirt tracks and it obviously does better than the Ram
> > > > with 32mm
> > > > tyres. It feels safer and if
> > > > a rock comes along the Atlantis deals with it better. When
> > > > I put
> > > > 26x1.25 on the Atlantis and ride on the
> > > > road that stability makes it feel slower than the Ram. Its
> > > > a close run
> > > > thing, but I suppose I just like the feeling
> > > > of speed and freedom that I get form the Ram, and as it
> > > > will handle
> > > > the dirt reasonably well and take
> > > > my fairly light touring load it's the bike I prefer for
> > > > most of my
> > > > riding.
>
> > > > On Nov 23, 9:14 am, Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I'm also interested in what usuk2007 feels is the
> > > > difference.
>
> > > > > I've got both a Rambouillet and an Atlantis, both
> > > > 64cm, the fit is
> > > > > similar. I have 28mm tires on the Rambouillet and
> > > > 37mm tires on the
> > > > > Atlantis, I believe much of the difference I feel
> > > > between the two
> > > > > bikes is due to the tire size.
>
> > > > > The Atlantis, probably due to the tires, is less
> > > > jarring over rough
> > > > > road surfaces and seems to be a slightly more stable
> > > > bike. It rides
> > > > > VERY well fully loaded.
>
> > > > > The Rambouillet seems to have quicker, more nimble
> > > > steering and
> > > > > transmits more road vibration (probably the tires).
> > > > It feels faster,
> > > > > if I can't keep up with the local carbon bike
> > > > crowd it's not due to
> > > > > the bike.
>
> > > > > There is also a weight difference between the two
> > > > bikes, I can feel
> > > > > that when putting the bikes into the back of the
> > > > car...
>
> > > > > Angus
>
> > > > > On Nov 22, 11:13 pm, "Doug Peterson"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Just curious: Since you have both, what are the
> > > > differences between the Ram
> > > > > > & the Atlantis?
>
> > > > > > I have an Atlantis that I purchased primarily for
> > > > touring, so did not
> > > > > > consider component weights at build time.
> > > > It's a pretty standard Riv build;
> > > > > > lots of MTB stuff (crank, hubs, brakes) on 700
> > > > wheels.
>
> > > > > > It's a great bike but admittedly a lot of
> > > > work to keep up with the racy
> > > > > > types (as racy as bunch of retired geezers can
> > > > be, anyway). I'm curious to
> > > > > > hear your comparison.
>
> > > > > > dougP
>
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > > Behalf Of usuk2007
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:43 PM
> > > > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > > > > > Subject: [RBW] Is the Ram the closest thing to
> > > > perfect bike? I think so.
>
> > > > > > I'm a bit perplexed with the drift of Riv
> > > > away from the "lighter" end
> > > > > > of the frame spectrum. The current frames and new
> > > > ones just on the
> > > > > > horizon look exciting, but there's a big void
> > > > where the Ram was once.
> > > > > > I have an Atlantis and love it, but the Ram is by
> > > > far my favourite
> > > > > > bike; fast enough to feel as if I'm a strong
> > > > cyclist, versatile enough
> > > > > > to go touring with lightweight gear, and even do
> > > > some off road with
> > > > > > 32mm tyres. I think the Ram hits the sweet spot
> > > > between speed,
> > > > > > handling and strength. I haven't ridden an
> > > > AHH, but somehow if just
> > > > > > looks less fun than the Ram, so I'm waiting
> > > > for Rivendell to bring
> > > > > > back the road/sport touring bike.- Hide quoted
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