I remembered this from the book "Cycling's Golden Age," about Jean
Robic, a rider from the 1940's: "Robic could still climb well, but he
often lost the uphill advantage on the downhill due to his light
weight. Finally Le Calvez got it: add weight for the downhills. In
those days the water bottles were made of aluminum, and the clever
directeur sportif managed to get one filled with lead" (Mulholland
33).

On Mar 25, 1:35 am, CuriousTourer <[email protected]> wrote:
> What about sailboats?
>
> On Mar 24, 6:44 pm, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'll bet the rider weight to structure weight ratio is about 7.5 to
> > one, an amazing relationship given the variety of stresses a bicycle
> > encounters on the road.  Bicycles are THE MOST efficient form of
> > transportation ever devised aside from soaring off mountain sides in
> > sailplanes.
>
> > Steve
>
> > On Mar 24, 6:46 pm, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Some time, not too far back, there was a discussion of the "heavy" 753 
> > > tube set used on early Rivendells made by Waterford. Having time on my 
> > > hands tonight, I dragged a scale out in the garage and weighed my bikes.  
> > > All were weighed as is, with regular (in my case 28 to 37 mm) tires, 
> > > brass bells, steel railed leather saddles, and saddle bags (these were 
> > > emptied though) Things like pedals and bottle cages, and cylcometers are 
> > > all attached. Many of you know that the manufacturers who tout how light 
> > > their bikes are take much of this stuff off and fit the skinniest, 
> > > thinnest tires they can on for the weighing.
>
> > > Early Rivendell with "stout" tubes : 22 lbs      650B  32mm tires
> > > Nashbar Mark III with 26" wheelset: 23 lbs     559     28 mm tires
> > > Rambouillet:                                   24 lbs     559     32 mm 
> > > tires
> > > Saluki (with fenders and front rack )  27.5 lbs   650B   37 mm tires
>
> > > They all feel great to ride, and honestly, the weight of two filled water 
> > > bottles on the 1st bike makes it about as heavy as the last without the 
> > > water!  Of course, weights vary based on equipment, but nothing here is 
> > > all that heavy, considering what you get for the weight that's there.
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