Just gotta share my Ram's weight data. First complete bike details: 64 cm frame Dura Ace Hub/Open Pro Rims with 32 Wheelsmith spokes F and R Ritchey Logic Triple Crank Jack Brown Green tires Brooks Ti rail saddle Nitto Frog seatpost (two-bolt) Technomic Deluxe Stem and Nitto Noodle Bar basic Tange or Shimano BB from Rivendell Shimano A520 pedals Ultegra longreach brakes, XT rear der, Ultegra triple front der, SRAM 11-34 cassette, bar-end shifters
when I weighed it this way, 23 pounds. When I ride it, it never feels heavy. I've since changed from Techdlx to a CrMo Ritchey tig-welded stem (for fit reasons, not weight). I'm pretty sure that working hard to shed pounds from the bike would be unhealthy weight loss. On May 10, 2009, at 6:36 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > I love my Rambouillet, and I've never been unhappy with it because of > its weight, but it is hardly a lightweight at 24-1/2 pounds for the > bike itself (i.e., the basic bike with no add-ons like water bottles, > luggage, fenders etc.) Similarly equipped, my Gunnar Sport with S&S > couplers weighs about 100 grams less, despite the extra weight of the > couplers. So it's clear that it is using lighter-weight steel. > Similarly equipped, my 1984 Trek 400 with Tange Mangalloy 2001 weighs > 25.1 pounds--even for it's time, it was a third-rate steel frame, so > it's not surprising it weighs a little more. > > So, what you're really saying is that if you equip a decently made > steel frame with really lightweight (or nonexistent, in the case of a > fixie) parts, then it will be a lighter bike. Nothing particularly > Rivish about that statement, though :-) > > That's something I keep wanting to try with the Trek 400, but I've > been reluctant to fixify it because of all the hills on the way home. > Maybe I should take the leap, since someone gave me a fixie rear > wheel. I think all I need is a chain that's the right length, and a > couple of cogs for the back. For now, I think I can just leave the > rear derailleur on the bike (not putting the chain through it) but > probably have to remove the front derailleur to keep it out of the > chainline. > > Nick > > On May 9, 2:55 pm, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote: >> If you ride a 65, then 32 lb for you is like, what, 25 lb for me? (I'm >> guessing: 205 lb versus 170; divide that into this and multiply the >> result >> by 32 and fudge a bit ...). My Motobecane probably weighs unladen a >> good 25 >> - 26 lb; add kit and add weight accordingly. (And strange, I am sure >> that >> the frameset is considerably lighter than either Riv). It's fun to >> ride, >> too, but the Riv at some 5 lb lighter, and especially with its much >> lighter >> wheels, just feels faster and funner. (And, judging by non-precise >> measurements on the speedo, it is a mile or so per hour faster.) >> >> I love the Rivs first for their fit and handling: fit: butt back (use >> rubber >> mallet to get Flite as far back on the DA seatpost as possible), KWBPS >> ("knee well behind pedal spindle"), seated for a high torque, >> comfortable >> pedalling style and back cantilevered over bars so that, even with >> bars 2" >> below saddle, I almost automatically choose the hooks when there is >> the >> slightest wind; handling: unerringly stable in a straight line, but >> think of >> a turn and the bike "intuits" your intention and does it without any >> hesitation or twitchiness; even with a rear load. Anyway, I love the >> Rivs >> for their fit and handling, but I must say that their light weight >> adds >> something to the pleasure of riding them. >> >> Now, if someone would only make a light, supple, round, 28 mm tire in >> the >> 559 size ... >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jim Cloud <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't generally worry much about my bike's weight, but I don't >>> think >>> my Riv (an original 65 cm Rivendell Road Standard purchased in 1996) >>> is very light. The lightest bike I've owned (sold it last year) was >>> a >>> 64 cm Waterford W-13 built up with all Campy Super Record components. >>> The W-13 weighed around 22 lbs. dry weight. >> >>> With the build-up on my Riv (Honjo fenders, Nitto "Mark's Rack" in >>> front, a Nitto Campee Model rear rack like the one sold by VO - sans >>> low-rider mounts, Carradice Pendle saddlebag with tools etc., steel >>> water bottle cages, Brooks B.17 saddle, Silca frame pump and a Vista >>> flashing light on the Mark's rack) weighs approximately 32 lbs. >>> (crude >>> measurement, standing on a bathroom scale and substracting my >>> weight). This weight compares fairly closely to the staff bike shown >>> on rivbike.com for Grant Peterson's personal bike (A Homer Hilsen) >>> which he states at 30+ lbs. with full bags. I think Grant rides a >>> frame size of 56-58 cm, so the size of my Riv would be an additional >>> factor in its weight. >> >>> On the other hand, the Riv is very comfortable and enjoyable bike to >>> ride so I'm happy! >> >>> Jim >> >>> On May 8, 3:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Just weighedem, as I was cleaning them (for a change -- I *do* keep >>>> the >>>> drivetrain and moving parts clean and lubed). Gofast, with single VO >>> retro >>>> cage, Topeak Road Morph pump, Avocet 35, Honka Hoota (complementary >>> color), >>>> and Country with 2 tubes and small repair kit: 21 lb 4 oz. I would >>>> guess >>>> that minus the bag it would weigh 18 lb plus change -- the bare bag >>> weighs 2 >>>> 1/2 lb -- this with pump and cage and bar acoutrements. Weighed as >>>> the >>> bike >>>> mags do, minus the other kit and minus the clips 'n' straps, prolly >>>> under >>>> 17. (Note: fixed gear, with light 571 wheels and 23 mm tires.) >> >>>> Commuter, with Catey, Honka, 2 VO cages, Honjos, Topeak, small >>>> seatbag >>> with >>>> similar kit, rear PB blinkey, B&M rack light, Fly, and one small and >>>> cheapish Delta pannier that carries aobut as much as the Country: >>>> 23 lb. >>>> (Also fixed, with light 559 wheels and 22 mm tires; yes, I'd prefer >>>> 28s, >>> but >>>> until someone makes a 28 as supple and nice riding as a 26X1" >>>> Turbo, I'll >>>> stick with the Turbo.) >> >>>> (And the Commuter does its work: I just carried home 29 lb of >>>> groceries >>> on >>>> it.) >> >>>> FWIW, the Honka Hoota is the best "get the hell out of my way, I'm >>>> coming >>>> through" bike device I've come across: many colors, some nice, some >>> silly, >>>> and loud, and aerodynamic! >> >>>> -- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Albuquerque, NM >>>> Professional Resumes. Contact [email protected] >> >> -- >> Patrick Moore >> Albuquerque, NM >> Professional Resumes. 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