Patrick, 

I really like your point regarding thrift store gabardine pants converted to 
knickers, I'm gonna give it a try. Plus seems to me they'll look great. And the 
price is right.

-Hugh
 Los Angeles,  CA

On Friday, November 7, 2014 3:19:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
> This is a separate but related question. Who, if anyone, makes knickers or 
> shorts that rise high enough in the rear (ie, high waist or low crotch) so 
> that they feel comfortable and cover adequately when you are bent over in the 
> hooks? The MUSAs, pants and knickers, are marginal in that respect, as are 
> most of the store-bought knickers I've worn -- Bicycle Fixations, 2 models; 
> Rivendell; Swerve; and the Nashbars are only adequate because they were out 
> of Mediums and I had to buy Large and have the waists taken in.
> 
> 
> Come to think of it, one nice thing about the thrift store pair of North Face 
> (non-lycra) cycling shorts I have is that they are cut high in the rear.
> 
> 
> 
> One virtue of making riding pants out of thrift store kakhis and wool dress 
> pants is that you can choose those with "higher rise". 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, hsmitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.prana.com/nemesis-knicker.html?color=darkkhakihristian,
> 
> 
> 
> My knock on the new (don't have experience with the old style) is though 
> baggy the waist was super tight with all the elastic, in my case size large. 
> So I went with Prana' Nemesis Knickers. They're actually climbing knickers 
> but have very little elastic other than the built in stretch of the fabric. 
> The opening of the leg area flares some as opposed to cycling specific ones 
> but doesn't bother me.
> 
> 
> 
> I also wear their shorts made of the same fabric.
> 
> 
> 
> My knock on other manufacturers of cycling knickers is how tight they are 
> seeming in my use to be restricted in all the wrong places when in motion.
> 
> 
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> 
> 
> -Hugh
> 
> los Angeles, CA
> 
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