So if I were to go with Schwalbe for dirt road touring, would Nobby Nics or 
Smart Sams be a smarter choice? Other alternatives that folks have tried? 
Maxxis Ardents? 

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:55:21 PM UTC-6, David G wrote:
>
>
> In the MTB world Schwalbe is known for making fast (low rolling 
> resistance)  but relatively fragile tires. Here in SoCal many mountain 
> bikers who enjoy bombing down gnarly downhills eschew them because of their 
> relatively low longevity, even with Snakeskin or Super Gravity enhanced 
> construction. 
>
> Thunder Burt is the fastest Schwalbe tire available for XC MTB racing. 
> It's what a pro would choose for trying to win the XC gold medal at the 
> Olympics (if she wasn't running something more exotic like a tubular). 
>
> Loaded backcountry touring is way way off the intended use grid for 
> Thunder Burts. Not to say it is a bad idea, just that (many/severe) flats 
> are to be expected. 
>
> Snakeskin only means more durable sidewalls, not additional puncture/cut 
> protection under the tread. 
>
> Sealant will only seal punctures and small cuts. 
>
> I really like Schwalbe Evolution line XC tires like Thunder Burt and 
> Racing Ralph for trail riding (and even more delicate tires like Compass 
> Babyshoe Pass and Pacenti Pari Moto). I'm willing to accept a much higher 
> risk of flats and limited tire lifespan to get that sweet ride. I carry 
> spare tubes and tube patches and sealant and a tire boot patch. 
>
> For a multiday off-road bikepacking with Thunder Burts carrying a spare 
> tire would be a good idea. I've read that you can fix major casing cuts in 
> the field with a needle and dental floss plus shoe goo, but I've never had 
> to try that yet. 
>
> - David G in San Diego 
>
>
> > On May 25, 2015, at 3:42 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > 
> > Yeah, wonder what the carried weight amount was. Bummer that they 
> > didn't hold up as hoped for... 
> > 
> >> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> >> Mike, 
> >> 
> >> Mark & his buddy Graham were rolling with the snakeskin's. But yeah 
> they're 
> >> race tires not originally designed for loaded touring. I'm bummed to 
> hear 
> >> how they didn't hold up, still gonna ride with em, even though Mark's 
> >> experience...at least for now. 
> >> 
> >> ~Hugh 
> >> 
> >>> On May 25, 2015 1:25 PM, "Mike Schiller" <mikey...@rocketmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> The TB's are considered a "race" tire by Schwalbe.  I would only use 
> the 
> >>> Snakeskin version for extended off-road touring.  They are wonderful 
> tires. 
> >>> 
> >>> I've been using Panaracer Comets recently, less supple but more 
> durable 
> >>> and roll pretty good on pavement. 
> >>> 
> >>> ~mike 
> >>> Carlsbad Ca 
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