Richard Sachs has for decades built his frames with chainstays longer than the 
norm, and I don’t hear anybody complaining about the way the handle. The longer 
stays on my Sachs make it more comfortable to ride, but they don’t make the 
handling any less lively or precise.

--Eric N
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> On Jun 25, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't cut 
> anything off of the stays." At any rate, I tend to agree with Grant (don't 
> know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own experience, such 
> as it is, makes me so tend.
> 
> My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of horizontals 
> -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the rear: he's 
> waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same length as 
> the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual with PB 60s 
> and an inch of air in between, all 'round). 
> 
> The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that long stays do not 
> -- repeat, DO NOT -- compromise quick handling. I must clarify. My 2 Rivs 
> turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one reason I sold the Ram, 
> tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that I wanted in a road 
> bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the Ram in the straight 
> ("almost:" I think the heavier, larger wheels of the Ram affect things), they 
> turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation at all, while not at all 
> being "twitchy". Quick but seamless.
> 
> I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2 
> bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal mix 
> of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done despite 
> what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has 43 cm 
> stays, IIRC.)
> 
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