I believe in one of his Blug posts about the Mystery Bikes (which have 
chainstays in the 54 cm range), GP said they had to cobble together an 
extra-long chain out of extra links from a second chain.

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

I had an '85 Trek 650.  Stays for days.  I'm scrounging for a photo right now, 
but I can't lay my hands on one.  I do believe that with a wheelbase that long, 
there may have been some slight compromise in handling.  But nothing 
significant.  And it was a joy to ride with rear panniers mounted, especially 
with my enormous feet.  ISTRC that one problem I ran into was finding 
sufficiently long chains when I ran it as a derailer setup (I ultimately 
settled on using a wheel with an AW 3-speed IG hub).

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't cut 
anything off of the stays." At any rate, I tend to agree with Grant (don't know 
enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own experience, such as it 
is, makes me so tend.

My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of horizontals 
-- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the rear: he's 
waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same length as the 
massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual with PB 60s and 
an inch of air in between, all 'round).

The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that long stays do not 
-- repeat, DO NOT -- compromise quick handling. I must clarify. My 2 Rivs turn 
in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one reason I sold the Ram, tho' 
the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that I wanted in a road bike). The 
customs, while being almost as stable as the Ram in the straight ("almost:" I 
think the heavier, larger wheels of the Ram affect things), they turn in with 
exquisite compliance: no hesitation at all, while not at all being "twitchy". 
Quick but seamless.

I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2 bikes 
Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal mix of 
steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done despite what, 
by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has 43 cm stays, IIRC.)

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