Interesting experience! I've built my own bikes since late 1970 -- this after several years already of modifying bikes -- and over the years I've very often found myself learning the very hard way. Examples: You mean not all calipers work on all frames with all wheels? You mean that the same 122.5 mm bb spindle doesn't work with Grafton cranks the way it works with original Deore or Specialized? You mean that the lockring for a 11 -23 cassette is different from that for a 14-32?? You mean that there is a difference between JIS headsets and whathehelltheotherthingis? You mean that there is a difference between Swiss and French bb shell threading?
For a while now I've thought I've reached that plateau of wizdum where, at least for my preferred technologies, but this recent clusterfuck with tire swapping (tires; fenders; clearances; tubeless) has me back at the end of the queue! On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > These subtle distinctions are slowly becoming more clear to me! > > I may have some very nice folding 559X1.35" Kojaks, one pair NIP, the > other with <200 miles, for sale soon. We'll see what Vaughn says. > > For the Race Lite: I think that the Maxis tires I've ordered are designed > for tubeless, so I hope they work well on the DT rims. I know that Vaughn > got the Furious Freds to work fine on distinctly non-tubeless SnoCat SLs. > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Jim M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My experience has been that if you use a tubeless ready rim with a >> "probably works" tire, you'll be ok. And if you use a tubeless ready tire >> with a "probably works" rim, you'll be ok. When I've tried to use >> a "probably works" rim with a "probably works" tire, I've had problems like >> you're having. >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> >> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 11:03:20 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> I spoke without thinking sufficiently. What I recall is reading >>> somewhere that someone used the EQ 21s for tubeless setups, not official >>> affirmation that they are indeed designed for tubeless use. >>> >>> So, thinking back on the way that the Kojaks' beads behave on these >>> rims, and how the Furious Freds (designed for tubeless setup) behave on the >>> tubeless designed Velocity Blunts, I realize I've learned something about >>> the difference between what you *can* make tubeless, and what is >>> *designed* to be tubeless. >>> >>> Again, we'll see if Vaughn can hack a decrease in the gap between the >>> difference between the two types of systems. >>> >>> Good stuff to learn, since I had plans to convert a couple of other >>> "ought to work tubeless" rims and tires into tubeless setups ... >>> >>> Time to Google compressors at homedepot.com. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You explicitly said they are tubeless ready rims. Who told you they >>>> were tubeless ready? Was it a manufacturer statement? Or was it a shop >>>> mechanic who has made it work in the past? Is the cross section on your >>>> rim different from the cross section I found? >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:26:50 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again. I intend to ask Vaughn if building up the bed, whether >>>>> with Gorilla or Stan's, might keep the bead in place absent air pressure, >>>>> and the stick factor may also be a useful element. >>>>> >>>>> If the Kojaks can't be run tubeless without forethought -- for >>>>> example, having to check the tire every few days for pressure -- then I >>>>> think I'll bail. I want tubeless, yes, but no worries tubeless. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Bill Lindsay <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and the corollary: If your Sun Ringle Rims have that shelf, unlike >>>>>> the cross section image that I found, then I absolutely would have >>>>>> attempted tubeless. For a stickier base tape, a lot of mechanics use a >>>>>> 1" >>>>>> wide roll of Gorilla Tape. Some mechanics around here ONLY use Gorilla >>>>>> tape, which shocked me until I found that several mechanics at several >>>>>> shops all agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> Example Vendor >>>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Gorilla-6100101-Tape-To-Go/dp/B001E5ZWT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446920559&sr=8-1&keywords=1+inch+gorilla+tape> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:15:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just looking at the rim cross-section online, I probably would not >>>>>>> have attempted a straight tubeless conversion. There's no upper shelf >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the tire bead to snap into. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's where I found a view of the rim cross-section: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chain Reaction Cycles LINK >>>>>>> <http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/sun-ringle-eq21-welded-rim-2013/rp-prod26280> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's the kind of feature I look for before even attempting >>>>>>> tubeless: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFNc9hMItxdZNIgTfrN_R4PCz7kzWtiw0be989Kx6XYjN4JBz-4g> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That shelf is what you need. If you want to go without tubes, keep >>>>>>> them pumped up, because air pressure is the only thing keeping the tire >>>>>>> beads from sliding down that hill inside your rim. Absolutely bring a >>>>>>> tube >>>>>>> for roadside repairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's my assessment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 7:46:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Posting this also to the iBob list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recently had (folding) 559 X 32 mm Kojaks converted to the >>>>>>>> tubeless system on tubeless ready Sun/Ringle EQ 21 rims by an >>>>>>>> experienced >>>>>>>> mechanic. They ride wonderfully and I've experienced no problems except >>>>>>>> this one: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When a tire fully deflates, as the front did recently, doubtless >>>>>>>> because of a slow leak, the beads pull away from the rim, making it >>>>>>>> impossible to reinflate them with a floor pump, let alone a frame pump. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that the Kojaks are not "tubeless ready" though 2 >>>>>>>> experienced mechanics said that they are "tubeless compatible." In >>>>>>>> contrast, the Furious Freds, tubeless ready on rims designed for >>>>>>>> tubeless >>>>>>>> tires, often deflate fully from slow leaks or because I remove the >>>>>>>> valve >>>>>>>> cores to insert more sealant; yet the beads remain in place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does my experience mean that I'd better give up on tubeless-i-fying >>>>>>>> the Kojaks? Or that I should build up the rim bed a bit higher? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Kojaks seemed to ride noticeably smoother, and perhaps faster, >>>>>>>> without tubes than they do with tubes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All help welcome. 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