thanks, DougP. So (assuming that single data point is representative) I 
wonder what that says about the efficacy of tire shaving?

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 12:03:33 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> An interesting question to which I have a single unscientific data point 
> anecdote.  One of my touring buds has run Schwalbe Marathon Plus (the REAL 
> tank tire) for quite a while for the durability & flat resistance.  He also 
> likes to run things to the last mile.  At his last tire replacement, he'd 
> worn down to where the blue puncture belt was peeking thru in several spots 
> around the tire.  IMHO that's way beyond worn out so call it "the last 
> mile".  We weighed both the worn tire and the new one on a postal scale at 
> the PO.  Granted, to be correct we should have compared before'n'after for 
> the same tire but these things last years.  We were both surprised to find 
> that the worn tire was only 2 ozs lighter than the 32 ozs of the new tire, 
> or roughly 6%.  Considering the thickness of the tread we were both quite 
> surprised at the result.  My guess is most of the weight of a tire is in 
> the carcass & beads (anyone up for a little tire dissection?).  I'd be hard 
> pressed to detect any difference in ride quality between worn & new, but I 
> sure can detect a difference in flat resistance.  
>
> dougP (happily Marathon-ing along)
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:53:03 AM UTC-8, Mobile Bill wrote:
>>
>> Regarding slowness: Since we're getting most of our mileage out of these 
>> Marathons AFTER the 3,000 mile mark, you have to wonder what role wear 
>> plays in weight reduction and pliability (it's as if we're riding shaved 
>> tires for most of the mileage). I haven't weighed, but at the halfway 
>> point, I bet the weight has been reduced to a level that's less than many 
>> middle-weight tires. My butt's not delicate enough to gauge it, but I sense 
>> that pliability increases to some degree. After a break-in period-- let's 
>> say, 1000 miles-- I propose that whatever speed liability the marathons may 
>> have had would be reduced below a level of real-world significance. And 
>> that means for the next 7,000 miles (equivalent to two or three new 
>> "faster" tires) it don't matter. (Of course, I am happy to spend a few 
>> extra hours riding around on my bike every year, so I'll confess, it's 
>> mostly a hypothetical issue with me.) Lynne Cooney, I see you took the 
>> Spring Hill Avenue Lucky Charm with you. Hope you are well.
>>
>> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 9:35:20 PM UTC-6, Mobile Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be wrong to suggest that Marathons never flat. I just had my 
>>> third flat, a slow leak ... in the course of riding 5 Marathons 22,000 
>>> miles on my Saluki (not sets of tires, but 5 tires). The tires I have on 
>>> there probably have at least a couple of thousand left in them. I keep 
>>> thinking I should replace them with something more clever. But getting this 
>>> flat weirdly reminded me of why I'm reluctant to give them up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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