I bought two sets of the "cheap" shifters from Riv and they convinced me to go back to indexed shifting. The rear would ghost shift on a regular basis. Very annoying and not something I'll put up with. If indexing means I have to pay to get it readjusted (I am completely incapable of doing it...no matter how many videos I watch and how much I practice) once or twice a years, so be it.
On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:13:24 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Eric > > Yes, Clem shifters are different from those. They actively click in the > pull-the-cable direction, and I wouldn't call it soft. Each click is quite > a bit smaller than an indexed shifter and a lot larger (coarser) than a > power ratchet shifter. The materials and durability of the Clem shifter is > a lot nicer than the ones you linked, but the one you linked is a really > low cost alternative for those who dislike their Clem shifters. When I've > used those (the inexpensive ones you linked), I've found they only hold > position if the return spring on the derailleur is really weak (a.k.a. > Light Action). Strong return springs, like vintage 70s or 80s derailleurs > are too strong for those shifters and they'd drift. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: >> >> Are the Clem shifters different than these? >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Sunrace-SLM10-Friction-Shifter-Set/dp/B007QMJH86/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454457129&sr=8-1&keywords=sunrace+shifter >> >> I have a pair of these, and they have a power ratchet type action. Very >> nice to use with friction shifting. But it sounds like the Clem shifters >> have a soft indent, like running old Suntour thumbies in friction mode. I >> didn't care for that mode. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> El Sapo >>> >>> I have one Sun Race shifter here on my desk. I have them installed on >>> two bikes and I have an extra pair from my parts box. Since I anticipated >>> there might be some of the dissatisfied who would assert "these are not >>> friction shifters", I decided to bring one to work with me. >>> >>> In the thumb-push direction, the shifter pulls the cable. In that >>> direction there are...count them....18 total clicks for the full range of >>> travel. The full range of travel is less that 180 degrees. So I'll call >>> it something like 8 degrees per click. Each 'click' pulls approximately >>> 1.4mm of cable. When pulling cable you can either shift to the next click >>> or don't shift to the next click. In that direction only, it is not a >>> friction shifter, it is a ratcheting shifter. To the dissatisfied, the >>> ratchet clicks are too large. A Silver shifter by comparison is identical, >>> except the ratchet clicks are even smaller. >>> >>> In the pull-the-shifter-direction, the shifter releases cable. In that >>> direction there are no clicks whatsoever. It is a perfectly smooth >>> continuous friction shifter. >>> >>> So, when I pull the cable I do as many clicks it takes to make it shift, >>> and if it overshifted some I trim it back. Many people like me grew up >>> shifting bicycles back when every shift (every single shift) in the pull >>> the cable direction required you to overshift and release. It's second >>> nature. It's nice that I don't have to do it on every shift, but I know >>> how to do it. The clicks NEVER prevent me from being able to put the >>> derailleur exactly where it needs to be. My job is to put the derailleur >>> exactly where it needs to be. The shifter's job is to not prevent me from >>> doing my job. I use these shifters (including on hills) and I know how to >>> use them and I like them. >>> >>> To you and to anyone that doesn't like their shifters, just switch them >>> out. Just because I like the SunRace shifters does not mean you have to >>> like them. Just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean I have to >>> hate them, too. If you decide to spend $100 on Shimano 8-speed indexed >>> barcons, I'm here to offset some of the cost for you. If Rivendell's >>> choice in spec-ing the Clem is one you disagree with, fix it. It's a >>> lovely bike and you deserve to like it. >>> >>> I think Riv is in love with these shifters because they do their job as >>> shifters in that they do not prevent the user from putting the derailleur >>> in the right spot, AND they are very flexible in terms of allowing you to >>> modify the cable housing exit path relative to where you have decided to >>> mount them. The base piece that stops the housing is itself positionable >>> in several positions, so you can direct where the housing is going to go. >>> This helps when setting up with a handlebar bag or front basket. They love >>> the versatility. One universal shifter that works with 8sp or 9sp, and >>> works with several mounting positions on several Rivendell handlebars. >>> It's a good choice for them. >>> >>> The IRD power ratchet shifters have smaller clicks in the pull-the-cable >>> direction, and might satisfy those who cannot be bothered to correct >>> overshifts with a small pull. I use powerratchet shifters on several >>> bikes. The IRDs are about $100. Plop some silvers on your SunRace bases >>> and you'll have your own power ratchet thumbshifters. I'd still take your >>> SunRace shifters off you, because they also make nice barcons. Indexed >>> shifters are nice, too. Shimano 8-speed barcons are getting scarce, but >>> you can still get them, also for about $100, and you can also mount them on >>> your SunRace base. Ironically the only thing I've found that does NOT fit >>> on the SunRace thumbie base is a SunRace downtube shifter. Haha! >>> >>> Most importantly, I think, is that if your mind is made up about >>> disliking an aspect of your bike, then change your bike so you will like it >>> better. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-8, El Sapo wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Bill, just for my own clarification, these Clem shifters have >>>> "click" indexed stops. My understating of friction shifters is that they >>>> are without the indexing click stops. >>>> >>>> So what happens is that the shifter wants to find the click, the index >>>> point and rest there. But that's not the right place so you have to pass >>>> it >>>> and come back or find a intermediate spot. You'll see soon enough what >>>> we're talking about especially if you are riding hills. >>>> >>>> there are plain friction and 8 speed indexed shifters available. I >>>> can't figure out why Riv went this way? 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