Dear Eddie, I don't want to be the one to pour tomato ketchup all over your chocolate cake but let me quote from http://www.rivbike.com/article/bicycle_making/the_big_picture
"All of our frames are lugged steel. Steel, because it's the best material for frames, in terms of toughness, longevity, proportions, repairability, and safety; lugged, because it's better to create a joint with a low-stress sleeve of beautiful steel, than to merely melt steel together, or even joint it with brass fillets. You may personally prefer welded frames, or fillet-brazed frames, and that's fine. We prefer them lugged, and so that's all we make." Rivendells are lugged steel frames, there are lots of others who make tigged steel frames, do it well and do it to a price point. If you look, you will find someone making exactly what you want, how you want and at a price you can afford. You cannot say that for any other consumer durable. How long this happy state of affairs will continue in this present state of financial apocalypse, who can tell. But if there is something you want/need/desire and it's availalble now and you have the money then buy it. For it may not be available this time next year. Merry Christmas to all and thanks for all the wonderful emails that have entertained me so much this past year. George Millwood Sydney, Australia where it has almost been too hot to ride this past fortnight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.