i meant spacers under the threadless stem. On Dec 11, 10:00 am, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote: > just joking a bit...put if you put any more spacers under that > threadless headset you could climb up on those bars and then jump on > the roof of that house. to each their own on aesthetics. > > On Dec 11, 9:42 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Is RBW considered an Upscale brand? Do a certain number of people buy > > a RBW bicycle because it is widely perceived as expensive/exotic/ > > exclusive? Would a low-cost TIG'ed RBW frameset/bicycle sell well > > enough in a competitive marketplace to justify alienation of the past/ > > present/future customers who want to buy into a brand with an upscale > > reputation? Is offering a TIG'ed frame really an easy-to-sell, high- > > profit slam-dunk, or is it highly risky and expensive? > > > We also have to be realistic (and perhaps more informed) about Surly, > > which is a brand that seems to engender some sour grapes and undue > > harsh criticism from some in the RBW set. Contrary to some of the > > undercurrent of this discussion, Surly frames and bicycles are > > EXCELLENT. They are smartly designed, sturdy, real steel, cleanly > > welded and finished, and have unbeatable QA/QC and customer service. > > Most of the people who work at Surly are personal friends, > > acquaintances, and former coworkers of mine, and I can attest that > > they are good people and as devoted to real-world cycling as cyclists > > get. The parent corporation QBP is a nationwide/industry leader in > > environmental/sustainability efforts, sponsors a number of worthy > > charitable endeavors, and is, in general, a wonderful local and global > > corporate citizen (in many ways, like RBW, but much bigger). In short, > > Surly does what they do very well, and they are fine people who > > deserve whatever success they have. In TIG'ed bicycles, Surly is hard > > to beat, and it's hard to paint them as bad guys. > > > Of course, there are ways to make a Surly look more genteel, if that's > > the > > goal.http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2009/10/another-way-to-do-long-ha... > > > On Dec 11, 9:32 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:14 -0800, eflayer wrote: > > > > I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a > > > > single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a > > > > time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that > > > > time came. Granted, he is still making gorgeous lugged frames, now > > > > with cheaper labor. If Riv does make most of the profits on parts, > > > > then why not sell another Riv branded entry price gorgeous tigged > > > > frameset so more customers buy more parts? I see mostly upside for > > > > everyone and no downside. Except if it divides attention and leads to > > > > a loss of direction. But I'm betting a sharp marketeer such as is > > > > Grant Peterson could find a way to sell this kool aid to all of the > > > > naysayer in this group. > > > > It's Grant, not us, who have defined Rivendell's core value as lugged > > > steel. He's said before, it's what defines Rivendell. > > > > If that's true, what you're asking is for him to give up his core value, > > > lose his central focus, dilute his brand identity -- and all so you > > > could have a cheaper offering? Race to the bottom was never a Rivendell > > > value of any kind, why should it be one now? > > > > I think you're overlooking the obvious answer. Get a Surly LHT, get it > > > powdercoated in Atlantis green, put on a set of Resurrectio decals and > > > be happy. It's exactly the bike you want, and a price that Rivendell > > > could never match because of economies of scale.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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