Rim wear is an issue actually. I have worn out rims in under 5 years
easily. Remember the wet, muddy, swampy riding conditions I mentioned? And
add racing CX with sand to the equation? You don't need hills to wear out
rims.

In my personal experience, persistent brake squeal is not restricted to
disc brakes. Just look at the number of people who can't get rid of squeal
on their centre pull brakes. Even the new Compass centre-pulls seem to be
prone to that issue. Watch one CX race and listen to the symphony of rim
brake squeal at the first corner. More often than not, it's user setup
error, or possibly poor pad material.

I've also had disc setups that were madding to ride due to squeal, just
horrible. I was doing a winter ultra a few years back where my rear rotor
squealed the ENTIRE 12 hours. Nobody wanted to ride near me.  In the end,
my pads hadn't been burned in properly, as per the instructions supplied by
Shimano. New pads, proper setup, zero squeal.

My point is, pretty much any brake style can run poorly when not setup
properly, and pretty much all brakes can be made to run silent when
properly set. Just because someone you knew had brakes that wouldn't stop
squealing doesn't mean the whole platform is flawed. The same goes for
forming an opinion of discs based on one ride. I've ridden canti, v-brake
and side pulls that braked horribly. Same with discs. It wasn't the brakes
that sucked, it was the setup.


On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On 05/13/2016 12:26 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
>> I suppose ease of brake setup will vary from person to person. I find
>> setting up canti's a pain in the butt mostly because of the pad angle
>> business. Finding the right toe-in for strong braking, no squealing or
>> shuddering, is a bit of a dark magic for me. I usually do the old 'business
>> card between the pad and rim' trick, which works most of the time, but is
>> clumsy and awkward.
>>
>> Regardless though, ease of setup should be a minor consideration when
>> choosing the style of brake to run IMO. I'm happy to deal with some
>> irritating setup now and then if it means my braking will be reliable,
>> powerful, smooth, etc. Afterall, how often do you need to adjust your
>> brakes anyway? I say that as a prairie-living cyclist with no hills, so my
>> brakes may go much longer between adjustment than others...
>>
>
> In which case, rim wear is hardly going to be an issue for you, obviating
> one of the claimed advantages of discs.  I live in the Piedmont, and the
> one rim I managed to wear out due to braking, it took me 25 years to do so.
>
> Apropos of "ease of setup," I've seen some disc brake setups that were
> maddening to ride next to on account of constant squeal, even when the
> brakes weren't being applied -- and when they were, the resulting squeal
> was about as piercing and penetrating as an icepick to the ear canal.  And
> the claimed ease of braking -- I've ridden one disc brake equipped bike (an
> electric) for maybe a quarter mile.  I found the brakes as grabby and
> binary ON-OFF as V brakes, and about as unpleasant to use.
>
> And then by all means, let's talk about the "Whirling Ginsu Knives of
> Destruction," and the affect on the supposed Inevitability of Disc Brakes
> of recent UCI changes terminating the experiment and banning disc brakes
> from road racing.
>
> I think the claim of "beating a dead horse" is greatly overblown.
>
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