RJM - I have a similar background with auto mechanics as you and I agree with your assessment of hydros - to a certain extent. For one thing, it depends on the manufacturer. Hayes brakes have been a PITA to install and bleed compared with some others. Secondly, my experience with the reliability and ease of adjustment of discs in general all depends on how well they are anchored to the fork or rear stays. I have a Surly 1x1 with an Avid BB7 mounted on the front with which I had a devil of a time keeping the disc centered between the pads for the longest time UNTIL I ditched the QR and changed the front axle to a bolt-on that I could torque down nice and tight. Since then they've been rub free, squeak free, and uneven braking free. I recall reading somewhere, though the source escapes me, that if everything were ideally designed from scratch, the disc and caliper would be on the right side of the fork, which would act against working a QR mounted hub loose from its fork ends.
On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:56:11 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote: > > I've had disc brakes on 4 bikes now, two cable actuated and two hydraulic. > Honestly, I think hydros are so much better and not that much more > difficult to setup compared to cable pull. I'd honestly rather use hydros > because they are easier to pull (1 finger braking), more powerful, and have > consistent feel and I felt that the cable actuated brakes lacked that > performance. TRP does have a brake that has all the hydros in the caliper, > but I've never used them. Bleeding brakes isn't difficult at all, but I may > be approaching this from a different place because in a past life I was an > automotive mechanic where bleeding brakes is normal. I don't find it weird > or difficult at all to setup a hydraulic braking system on a bike. > > I find cantis to be a regular pain in the butt to setup and adjust, and > was always a little befuddled why people liked them over V-brakes, which I > find much easier to set and forget. > > > On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> "Couldn't be easier" is, in my experience over 4 bikes with various cable >> disk systems, not quite accurate. It's certainly not rocket science, and >> *once >> you find the right method* it is straightforward, but it took me a long >> while to find that method. >> >> Sidepulls are easiest. V brakes, at least decent ones, are easy to setup, >> as are, slightly less so, wide profile cantis. Low profile cantis are a >> pain in the ass, IME. Centerpulls are much like wide profile cantis. >> Gauging all this from my own experience >> >> BB7s are about as easy as brakes requiring cable yokes, IME, and easier >> than low profiles, at least with drop bar levers. >> >> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Mark Reimer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Servicing discs could not be easier. Hydraulic's are a bit more finicky, >>> but they're no more difficult to dial in than my Paul canti's are. Changing >>> the pads takes 60 seconds. Actually the more I think about it, the more I >>> think discs are much easier to setup and service than rim brakes. You just >>> have to do it once to catch on. >>> >>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:56 AM, 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I am a satisfied rim braker. I've never seriously considered riding >>>> discs but I can see the attraction in avoiding compromised braking in the >>>> wet and annoying mud on rim grinding noises when off road. >>>> >>>> One big factor that Grant has missed is the wear effect of rim brakes. >>>> Sooner or later the rim will need replacing. That means a wheel rebuild >>>> which may well lead to getting a new hub at the same time. That's a whole >>>> new wheel just because your brakes are worn - quite a waste if you have >>>> decent, handbuilt wheels that otherwise would have lasted a long time. On >>>> a >>>> disc system, you just replace the disc. >>>> >>>> The related thing is that wear on the rim is hard to detect. You either >>>> play it safe or you take it to the limit - which you only reach when your >>>> rim is so compromised it blows. Discs are far more transparent. As Mark >>>> says above, on this basis Grant's preference for rim brakes goes against >>>> the usual argument for steel over carbon. >>>> >>>> On the issue of servicing, I've never worked on disc brakes but surely >>>> if you avoid hydraulics and stick with cable operated then >>>> servicing/repair >>>> is easy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lJn4CJ1Y9zU/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >> Other professional writing services. >> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten >> ************************************* >> *************************************************** >> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a >> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and >> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu >> >> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the >> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto >> >> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart >> >> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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