> to jamb my shoe into my fender". Bicycles should not cause this kind
> of low-grade anxiety. It's unnecessary - if a bike has TCO, the wheels
> are too big. Design it out with smaller wheels!

As GP argues, there are many other concerns in a bike design than
TCO.  Designing a bike so it will be a good fixie may make sense for a
one off custom builder.  No sense at all for someone who designs bike
for a wide range of riders most of whom have zero interest in fixed
gear bicycles.

On Feb 2, 9:22 pm, james black <chocot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 23:36, Grant Petersen <gr...@rivbike.com> wrote:
> > TCO ends up being a problem---in my opinion---only in theoretics, but not in
> > practice. THere are some builders who would disagree; and although in the
> > spirit of diplomacy and reasonableness and "agreeing to disagree" and all
> > that, I accept that....I can't understand it. To fear TCO or to regard it as
> > Dangerous....well, it's ust something that to me doesn't make any sense.
>
> I also disagree - I strongly dislike toe clip overlap, having
> encountered it on a few frames (I usually ride long-raked 60-62cm
> frames now, so have little problem). It can be a problem
> trackstanding, riding slowly, turning sharply while riding a fixed
> gear, riding offroad, and climbing slowly. If it doesn't make you
> crash, it's still annoying, inconvenient, and I don't want to sit
> around while riding constantly thinking, "Oh, I better be careful not
> to jamb my shoe into my fender". Bicycles should not cause this kind
> of low-grade anxiety. It's unnecessary - if a bike has TCO, the wheels
> are too big. Design it out with smaller wheels!
>
> One cyclist's opinion.
>
> James Black
> Los Angeles, CA

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