Bill,

Once one starts down the weight weenie road, I'm not sure when the "nothing 
dumb" line is crossed.
Before I striped it (stealing parts to build up my BMC-Road), my old Gios 
"race" bike was ~19.5 lbs. That was with a Campi ergo 10sp drive train 
(mostly record), a bar and stem that saved ~.5lb over the Cinelli set it 
replaced, and cane creek ti short reach brakes. The only straightforward 
weight savings I saw for that bike would have been replacing the seatpost 
(old suntour superbe) with carbon or ti, and trading the speedplay steel 
pedals for ti ones.
Considering that bike, I'm skeptical about a sub 19 lb Roadeo being 
"straightforward". I doubt a Roadeo frame would be significantly lighter 
than that Gios (~5.6lbs frame fork and headset).
Are carbon rim wheels "dumb"? Are several hundred $$ cassettes "dumb"?

ted

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible bike 
> won’t choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of people who 
> want a steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds.   
>
> A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 19 
> pound Roadeo with nothing dumb on it should also be straightforward. You 
> just need to decide to do it, or not. Rackless, fenderless and lightless 
> makes it much easier. 
>
> Contemplating your 26 pound road bike and wishing it was <20 pounds is a 
> little more complicated and costly:   
>
> Take it completely apart 
> Weigh every single thing 
> Make sure the sum of the weights makes sense 
> Eliminate stuff and replace parts with lighter choices until the sum is 
> where you want it to be 
> Put it back together 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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