Bill, Your recommended $349 "not-dumb" wheels seems to be discontinued at Jenson. What would you get today for a hopefully not dumb Roadini?
Thanks, Jay On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 6:02:58 AM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > Ted > > I'm not sure what the point is, exactly. Are you trying to test me on all > possible bike parts, looking for me to say some part is 'not dumb', so you > can say "gotcha! that part IS dumb!" ? Do you sincerely want me to design > your build list for you because you want to build a 19 pound Roadeo and > don't know how to do it? Do you suspect I'm wrong and you want to prove > that I can't build a 19 pound Roadeo? Or are we just killing time because > it's Winter? > > Whatever it is, you are right that I have better things to do than to > design a proper and complete build list in the way I normally approach > builds. I approach builds with a lot of forethought and deliberation, and > I've gotten pretty good at it. I'm not going to design a Roadeo build for > you, but I'll give you something in the ballpark. > > My 59cm Black Mountain Cycles Road bike weighs 20.2 lbs (9171g) as > pictured: > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xiDzS8dRIe0/WnKLL05wvvI/AAAAAAAADvk/5IhDi47sWgkPgaumF3PRVI5xtkIkMWWUQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0134.jpg> > > > I categorize everything in five buckets: > > A. Frameset (59cm BMC Road + Cane Creek 50 headset) > B. Wheelset (HED rims, 32 spokes, White Industries hubs, Challenge Eroica > tires, SRAM 1070 cassette, standard tubes) > C. Drivetrain (Herse Cranks, White Industries Ti BB, Shimano SPD pedals, > Dura Ace 10 F+R ders, Dura Ace downtube shifters, SRAM 1091 chain) > D. Components (Flite saddle, ultegra seatpost, Nitto Soba handlebars, > Civia Bryant stem, Shimano mid reach brakes, customized tektro brakelevers, > newbaums tape) > E. Accessories (bell, two ti cages) > > A 19 pound Roadeo needs to be 545 grams lighter. I assume the Roadeo > frameset is a hair lighter than my $600 Black Mountain frameset, but I > don't know for sure. Assume they are the same. I would save some weight > by running a not-dumb all-metal wheelset. I think carbon wheels are dumb. > Carbon sucks as a braking surface, and carbon clinchers with a metal > braking surface are neither light nor affordable. My current favorite > not-dumb wheelset is the HED Ardennes Plus. Its a 1610g wheelset, with > 25mm wide tubeless ready metal rims. Everybody smarts regards those rims > as bomber, and Jenson sells the wheelset for $349. not-dumb-wheels > <http://www.jensonusa.com/HED-Ardennes-Plus-GP-Clincher-Wheelset/> That > would drop about 150 grams. I'd run Chinook Pass EL tires and light tubes, > which would drop another 150 grams. The 220 gram Flite saddle works for > me, but the 145 gram also works for me. A Dura Ace cassette which is > half-ti costs $189 but it saves another 75 grams or so. Don't run a bell, > and a nice steel threadless stem would weigh about 70 grams less than the > one I have. That puts me right at 19 pounds with nothing dumb. I think > that maybe VO Gran Cru brake calipers might be a little lighter than the > Shimanos, but whatever. There are plenty of lighter 'road' pedals, but > whatever. My customized brakelevers might seem dumb. I customized them to > improve the shape and for the fun of the look, but it also reduced the > weight to just under 100g per lever. SRAM carbon levers weigh more like > 125 grams per lever, and I could go find 50 grams somewhere else. If the > $2400 Roadeo is in fact a few grams lighter than the $595 Black Mountain, > then I'd be ahead of the game. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 4:01:56 PM UTC-8, ted wrote: >> >> Bill, >> You seem to ask what I was asking. >> I am wondering what you think is dumb when it comes to building a light >> Roadeo. I.e. what choices could you make that would make it lighter that >> you would chose not to make because you think it would be dumb. >> I would also be interested if you would suggest a build list that results >> in a sub 19lb Roadeo, but that seems like a bit much to ask. I expect >> you've got better things to do. >> >> Regards >> Ted >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
