To add to the number of variables we've already discussed, I stumbled upon 
some articles on hand positioning for drops 
(http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html),
 
which have introduced me to a hand position I haven't used much before and 
hadn't really heard of, the ramps. Feel stupid for not having really heard 
of it until now, but I think this may explain a lot. I always thought if 
people weren't tucking in, then were either on the hoods or on the tops. 
When I ride my new bike, I find my hands naturally gravitating toward the 
ramps, but I kept thinking this wasn't a 'proper' position for long 
portions of a ride. I kept thinking I needed to stretch for the hoods. 
After reading Jan Heine talk about preferring longer reach bars and 
primarily using the ramps and not the hoods, combined with the fact that 
this bike was built up heavily with Jan's influence, I feel like this stem 
and bar length might suit the ramp hand position more than hoods, for a 
rider of my proportions. Not sure how other folks here feel about ramps vs 
hoods, but I'm excited to give the ramps some miles as my primary hand 
position and see how that goes.

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-5, Sean Steinle wrote:
>
> I'm feeling a bit too stretched out on my new rando bike with noodles. It 
> currently has a 110cm stem, and the bars are a good 2 or 3 cms below saddle 
> height. Can't raise the stem, it's a custom job and doesn't have any room 
> for extenstion. At least not that I feel comfortable with. Since it's 
> handmade, there's no max height line...
>
> As I set out to buy a new stem, I'm wondering, how much shorter do I go on 
> the stem if I plan to raise the bars to saddle height as well? I'm sure 
> it's dependent on HA & SA, but I'm wondering if there is a ballpark ratio 
> which says that raising your stem 1 cm is the same effect as shortening it 
> by X. Any real world experience to help me out? When you feel too stretched 
> out, do you focus on raising the bars or shortening the stem?
>
>
>

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