Fair enough Patrick, I have had bikes with varying amounts and I should have been clearer that I think some toe overlap is OK for me (ie my 51 Sam has some when I run fenders) and I've also never had an accident due to it (also rode fixed a good while on a bike with a fair bit of overlap) but I do find it an annoyance that I'd really prefer to remove from my riding experience - particularly on a bike I load up
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