I’ve had both Filson and Tilley. I strongly prefer the Tilley. The Filson is a 
PNW classic made of a waxed canvas material, great in the rain but not very 
breathable, which is an obvious drawback for a sun hat. There are many Tilley 
varieties, including vented models, although the one I have is made of cotton 
duck. I find it more much comfortable than the Filson, and it also has a clever 
strap system that will really keep it clamped to your head in windy conditions. 
It also floats. (Since I’m a boater and scuba diver, these qualities matter to 
me.) I’ve worn the Tilley in tropical and subtropical locales throughout the 
Caribbean and Pacific, and since I really try to avoid sunscreen due its 
detrimental effects on corals it is a must-have item when I travel  to these 
areas. Get the Tilley!

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 9:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> The Tilley hats I have had wear well but don’t last me any longer than 
> cheaper hats. They do, or at least used to, come with a cheap replacement 
> price if you wear yours out. I never took advantage of that.
> 
> The Tilley hats were really well made though. Canadian sewn which is always 
> good and they use quality materials. The Filson hat I own is also well made 
> and has some leather bits on it. It is made in the USA which adds to the 
> cost. Not a bad price for Filson though. This is the one I have.
> 
> https://www.filson.com/accessories/hats-and-caps/tin-cloth-bush-hat.html#sku=11060035-fco-000000088
> 
> The OR hats I’ve owned along with similar hats aren’t as well made and are 
> made out of lesser materials. They are likely made overseas where labor is 
> cheaper as well. They do last me a long time though. I have one I should get 
> rid of since it is stained really badly but it is functionally fine.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks. This looks likely: 
>> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>> 
>> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>> 
>> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
>> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
>> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>> 
>> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>> 
>> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
>> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
>> guarantees the brand."
>> 
>> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> For me, it's a Tillley. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>>> important.
>>> 
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>> 
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