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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Jay Lonner <jay.lon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you’re trying to transform the bike into something it 
> isn’t, and I doubt that a new fork, adding canti posts, crimping the stays, 
> etc. will alter that fundamental fact. I’d ditch it and start over with 
> something that meets your needs without requiring such extensive 
> modification. 
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Collin A <collinmichae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've 
>> already spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit 
>> more" but I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually 
>> prompted an involuntary career switch).
>> 
>> Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a 
>> FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming, 
>> nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5 
>> months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making 
>> process as it relates to this bike.
>> 
>> Still no decision though,
>> Collin
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>> 
>> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/ 
>> <https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost>
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>> Ok, so short story long:
>> 
>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
>> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
>> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out here 
>> vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, I 
>> began the modifications planned, which included:
>> (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts (cause why 
>> not?) and canti posts
>> (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>> (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the rear for 
>> even more clearance
>> (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels are now 
>> sold
>> (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos which I 
>> have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>> (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers (see above, 
>> currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>> (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
>> freewheel yet.
>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I am 
>> more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket combo 
>> and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when it 
>> comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a more 
>> expensive bike than I'd like.
>> 
>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique of 
>> a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) and 
>> I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. The 
>> visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique feature 
>> bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding how 
>> good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty impatient 
>> when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still new-in-box 
>> Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there is no 
>> deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an exciting 
>> build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, I'd just 
>> hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and bandwidth to 
>> finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and that's OK.  If 
>> you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, then maybe 
>> different story.  
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