Ok, with those trails the Joe might do you better than the Sam. 
You’ll just have to figure out the best stem combo for your drops. 

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Philip Barrett <philiprbarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the 
> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own 
> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will be 
> riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. 
> 
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> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>> 
>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was 
>> the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports car--it 
>> was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone with a 
>> spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding style had 
>> changed.
>> 
>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer 
>> Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a 
>> light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt 
>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a build, 
>> but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper 
>> and the Atlantis.
>> 
>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it immediately 
>> after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the Appaloosa's 
>> cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. The Appaloosa's 
>> ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running errands, and 
>> long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, so the 
>> Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are welcome 
>> upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.
>> 
>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or Atlantis 
>> for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send photos--the 
>> west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett <philipr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>>> overnights.
>>> 
>>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne or 
>>> Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>>> the Appaloosa.
>>> 
>>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>> 
>> 
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