Philip,

If you don’t need tires bigger than 700x48, the Sam Hillborne can do anything 
and feels fastest of the Rivs I ride (Ram, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Quickbeam.)

In theory, the Ram should feel fastest and maybe is, but my comfort with 
Albatross handlebar and the bigger tires for the mixed terrains has me happier 
for longer on the Hillborne. I might psychologically covert that to “feeling 
faster” over the long haul.

Hillbornes are amazing. But the question of tire size limitation is key.

-Jimmy


> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Lester Lammers <lester.lamm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I see that James at Analog Cycles, a Riv dealer, also has Kona bikes. Given 
> the images above, I'd email him before you decide. My 2 cents.
> 
> https://analogcycles.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:47:26 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the 
>> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own 
>> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will be 
>> riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>>> 
>>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was 
>>> the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports 
>>> car--it was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone 
>>> with a spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding 
>>> style had changed.
>>> 
>>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer 
>>> Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a 
>>> light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt 
>>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a build, 
>>> but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper 
>>> and the Atlantis.
>>> 
>>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it 
>>> immediately after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the 
>>> Appaloosa's cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. The 
>>> Appaloosa's ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running errands, 
>>> and long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, 
>>> so the Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are welcome 
>>> upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.
>>> 
>>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or 
>>> Atlantis for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send 
>>> photos--the west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett <philipr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>>>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>>>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>>>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>>>> overnights.
>>>> 
>>>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>>>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
>>>> recommended the Appaloosa.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>>>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>>> 
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