continuing the stream of non-platypus data :)...    My 52 cm Ram frame is 4 
lbs, 8 oz. The 54 cm Road frame is 4 lbs 1 oz.    Both forks are 1 lb 11 
oz.  A waterford steel fork is 1 lb 7 oz.  Frames alone without BB, etc.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:13:40 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If you want to build a lightweight step through, you should start with an 
> Ebisu mixte before Iimura-san finally completely retires.  
>
> Gallery of Customer Bikes-Mrs. Shirai's mixte (jitensha.com) 
> <http://www.jitensha.com/eng/yllwebmixte.html>
>
> About the Ebisu bicycle (jitensha.com) 
> <http://jitensha.com/eng/aboutframes_e.html>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 7:26:33 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @aeroperf - I'm liking the idea of the lightweight step-thru, which 
>> returns us to the question regarding the Platypus weight. For reference, 
>> the Soma Buena Vista comes in at 7lbs with a fork. My data point is my Trek 
>> 330 which is my sort experimental platform bike and comes in at 29lbs with 
>> rack, vintage light etc. which just feels about right. How much of that is 
>> weight & how much is 531 of course?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 6:56:28 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The first place to go for weight savings you can feel when riding are 
>>> (in this order) tires, tubes, rims. All that stuff rotating way out there 
>>> adds up fast. Then ditch racks, fenders, front derailer and its shifter, 
>>> extra chainrings. That'll getcha down to a base weight that's still ridable 
>>> and Rivish; beyond this you're looking at weight weenie hubs, bars, stems, 
>>> seatposts. And that Brooks B17 is out!
>>>
>>> Dang, now I want to try this on my custom. Could be pricey! 💸💸💸😳
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thread is becoming a very interesting discussion for me.
>>>> For 40 years I designed and tested airplanes.  I specialized in 
>>>> aerodynamics/performance, hence: aeroperf.  When a boss would ask what was 
>>>> my greatest challenge, I would have to say “Weight!”.
>>>>
>>>> So Phillip points out that “those Kenda tires weigh over 5lbs a pair.”  
>>>> That leads me to wonder where my Sam’s 30.5 pounds has come from, 
>>>> especially since Linda G is riding a 22.6 pound Roadini, and all frames 
>>>> seem to be in the 6 - 10 pound range.
>>>> And I’m thinking Bill Lindsay has a great idea to try a super light 
>>>> build for a step through.  Where DOES one pick up (or shed) all that extra 
>>>> weight?  And, does it really affect how a Riv rides?
>>>>
>>>> I know tire weight does, because both my wife and myself have commented 
>>>> how riding 810 gram Schwalbe Marathon tires seem to be like going through 
>>>> mud compared to the 505 gram SpeedRides we’re used to.   Plus, my college 
>>>> bicycle team would line a set of wheel rims with lead under the rim tape 
>>>> if 
>>>> they wanted to “challenge” the hill climbers.  But that still appears to 
>>>> be 
>>>> a small contributor to overall bicycle weight.
>>>>
>>>> I really haven’t seen where a pound or two makes a difference on my 
>>>> Sam.  If I add a rear-view mirror, it seems insignificant.  On the other 
>>>> hand, my touring bike, a Soma Saga Disc, weighs only a half pound more 
>>>> than 
>>>> the Sam comparably equipped.  But when I pile on 40 pounds of gear, the 
>>>> Sam 
>>>> chokes while the Saga goes “Meh.”  So there must be a cumulative effect, 
>>>> that only *seems* insignificant.
>>>>
>>>> Back to the subject.  The Riv web site advertises the Platypus as a 
>>>> “country bike” just like the Sam.  How DO the frame weights compare?
>>>>
>>>>

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