If you are really stuck, IRD makes a "Sub-C" front derailleur designed for 
subcompact setups.  From the picture, it appears to have a shorter cage 
than usual.  I cannot attest to its function or whether you need it, just 
alerting you to its existence.

Jon Blum

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i can't locate it right now, but somewhere in a blahg grant wrote in 
> reference to the ugliness of a front derailler, (probably the same XT 
> you're referring to), 
>
> "forgive it and move on."  
>
> i have a shim'd XT front on my suzie and try to remember this advice 
> whenever i idly find myself wishing it was vintage XTR.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:04:07 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My boss said that about me once.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:37:24 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'll just tell you the unfortunate truth now: I had that horrendous XT 
>>> on something (it may be on the Bombadil I sold Jason Fuller) and it's 
>>> magic. I remember sending a pic of it to Grant after he had said something 
>>> about ugly/perfect Shimano parts and said, "It's almost alarming something 
>>> this ugly can work so well."
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:10:27 AM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll give this a shot tomorrow with the 105 and see what happens!  The 
>>>> gap between the cage on the derailer and the pantguard is about an inch, 
>>>> maybe slightly more.  I'm shifting with DuraAce bar ends, so it's 
>>>> friction. 
>>>>   I also have an ugly, ugly XT front derailer that would need some shims 
>>>> for the seat tube.  The cage is slightly shorter but it's so ugly and 
>>>> bulky 
>>>> that I'm not certain I could stomach having it on this bike.  I'll post up 
>>>> some photos once its all set up.  Now, I just need to remember how to set 
>>>> up cantilever brakes... 
>>>
>>>

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