I have 2 bikes set up each way (2 Rivendell and 2 Rivendell-ish).  I prefer 
the DT shifters, but both are okay.  The bar ends tend to bump things while 
you are handling the bike from storage to the bike rack, etc and you'll be 
out of gear. Neither is hard to get to, once you have a feel for where they 
are.

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 4:55:24 PM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> I can't think of a right or wrong placement for shifters..... or shifting 
> too soon, too late, too much or too little ((( laughing ))). I mean hey , I 
> hop on the bike, I pedal and the bike goes, and shifting just happens along 
> the way.... like all the rest of the scenery. If I told you a 
> "how/why/etc." it all works I'd be assuming there even is a "how/why/etc." 
> that could be articulated, let alone formed. I think Life is more Grand 
> than any idea of or about Life could ever be formed by Life, about Life. 
> This is who "We" are, after all . 
> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 4:29:59 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> My experiences mirror some of the other responses here. My last shifter 
>> setup on an Atlantis also employed the dt shifter for the front and bar end 
>> for the rear. Worked very nicely using a an original Silver up front and a 
>> Shimano DuraAce for the rear. My SamH uses DuraAce bar ends front and rear 
>> (For me the DA bar ends provide a superb friction shifting experience; 
>> always reliable, no slipping).
>>
>> Alternatively, my Coast and Mercian both use Silver dt shifters. I'm not 
>> tall so the reach down isn't onerous. I do like that I have to move my 
>> right hand periodically.
>> Aesthetically these two bikes just look right with the downtubers; 
>> functionally speaking, no problems. 
>>
>> The fact that your Homer has the flexibility to experiment with shifting 
>> options is great. Go with whatever you feel at the moment is right and 
>> enjoy the ride!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:11:48 AM UTC-5 KenP wrote:
>>
>>> I have tried four ways.  I like thumb shifters the best on upright bars 
>>> because my hands are usually on the grips and there is immediate reach.  
>>> The second choice for upright bars are the bar ends which are close at 
>>> hand.  This is important because when I used down tube shifters and had to 
>>> stop very quickly I have ended up in a too tall gear on startup.  When I 
>>> have tried to downshift first, I have almost missed the traffic stoplight.  
>>> It's not too difficult to remove the grips to change upright bars. For the 
>>> wrapped drop bars I find I prefer the stem mount solution and have learned 
>>> to reach them quickly.  That has made bar swap easier and gives me room to 
>>> put a bar end mirror.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
>>>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>>>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>>>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>>>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>>>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>>>> groups thoughts and experience.
>>>
>>>

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