Maybe kick-ass long reach caliper brakes are inherently unlikely because the needed length alone - no matter what great brake pads are installed - makes the brake arms less forceful than, say, medium reach brakes (like on my Ram).
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 7:50 AM Daniel MacPherson <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on > them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be > rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look odd > to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell > should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes. > > > Daniel M > > Tallahassee Fl > > On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is >> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely >> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't >> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it >> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road >> frame. >> >> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:24:33 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote: >> >>> I assume the folks at Rivendell find them adequate. I’ve used the 559s >>> (with kook stop pads) on a fixed gear with a front brake only in the >>> mountains and found it worked fine. I’ve actually done this on multiple >>> 650b fixed conversions. I’ve even used DC750s in this setup. >>> >>> I’ve also used the Mafac Raids and thought they were fine (but finicky >>> to set up sans squealing). >>> >>> I like v brakes the most for ease of setup and stopping power but many >>> people find them “grabby.” I have yet to find a brake I find inadequate >>> (with kool stop pads). >>> >>> I think brake performance expectations vary quite a bit. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Aaron in El Paso >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 18:52, Johnny Alien <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I didn't realize those brakes would not work. They were marked as long >>> reach. I can't remember what I used them on before but it must have been >>> something for mid-reach brakes. >>> >>> IMO I am just baffled they keep making bikes for those brakes when there >>> are no great options with great stopping power. Especially when there are >>> so many nice V, mini-V and canti brakes out there. >>> >>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:28:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, the AHH in question uses long reach calipers, not mid reach like >>>> the VO. >>>> >>>> My experience with long reach calipers has been universally bad >>>> (Tektro, DC centerpulls). They're adequate in the dry, but with wet rims, >>>> there is no stopping power at all. >>>> >>>> I like a lot about the AHH, but I wouldn't get it due to the brakes. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> Plain City, OH >>>> where I'm not really satisfied with the mid reach Tektros on my current >>>> Trek,either >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:21 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The issue with the VO is they are only midreach (47-57). Many Riv >>>>> bikes require longer reach. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Aaron in El Paso >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 17:55, Forrest <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Johnny, I had those brakes on a bike once. Very good stopping power; >>>>> they seemed a little stouter than other sidepulls. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forgot the link. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brakes/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:43:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If I had a bike that needed long sidepulls these are the ones I >>>>>>> would have. I have used them before and I don't think there is a long >>>>>>> reach >>>>>>> that is as strong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:58:27 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5 Pierre wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping >>>>>>>>> power (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other >>>>>>>>> bikes). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had mixed results with Silver/Tektro long-reach dual-pivot >>>>>>>> brakes. On my Bleriot, with some dual-compound pads, they were >>>>>>>> brilliant. >>>>>>>> On other bikes I had less brilliant experiences. I suspect it had >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> to do with the levers I was using, but I never did a full, controlled >>>>>>>> experiment. The levers on my Bleriot were older Aero Gran Compe. I >>>>>>>> also can >>>>>>>> suggest that low-compression cable housing made a difference for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That said, the Yokozuna hybrid disc brakes on my newest bike (which >>>>>>>> replaced the Bleriot) are a very different feel. I can't definitely say >>>>>>>> they have more ultimate power, but it takes a lot less hand power to >>>>>>>> get to >>>>>>>> max. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have the Dia Compe 610-N calipers (not on braze-ons) on a bike >>>>>>>> and they proved to be excellent stoppers when I was riding pretty fast >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> a car turned left in front of me. Had the back wheel well off the >>>>>>>> ground >>>>>>>> and stopped with about a foot to spare. Again, they need a bit more >>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>> power than the disc brakes to get to that point, but not a lot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My experience with cantilevers is considerably more mixed than with >>>>>>>> the long-reach dual-pivots. 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