PSA:  Looks like those longer reach dia compe are in stock at Soma Fab.  
<https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-center-pull-brake-gc700-2860?category=132>
 They're 
not cheap.

My experience with 559 vs. Paul centerpulls on a caliper brake Hillborne 
model was that the CP's stopped a little better than 559's  in the dry, and 
'felt' better, probably because less flex. However, braking in the dry from 
both was satisfactory with Kool Stop pads.  In the wet, (actively raining, 
hard) neither brake stopped worth a damn. 
Caveats: I'm a big guy at 250+ and really well set up cantis don't stop me 
in the wet all that well either.  For wet weather braking, a bike with 
discs or to a lesser extent V-brakes are the way to go, I think. 

Brett

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:15:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Hey Patrick - this diagram with measurements is from the Grand Bois 
> website.  https://cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_ch_m.html
> Hope it's helpful!
>
> I highly recommend going through Jitensha Studio. I live in NYC and they 
> made this transaction super easy, the parts got to me quickly, shipping was 
> better than it would have been from Japan. And I like that when I want 
> parts from the likes of Peter White or Hiroshi-san, I have to call and 
> speak with a human :)
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-07-19 at 10.00.00 AM.png]
>
> Patch
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you mentioned these, as I'd not heard of them. They look nice, 
>> and if they stop as you say, then they are very good deals at half the 
>> price -- or less -- of Paul's. 
>>
>> The website does not say; how long a reach do they have? And: Will the 
>> wider ones fit 42s and fenders? If so, I almost wish I'd had my 2020 
>> Matthews built for these instead of cantilevers (also Paul's).
>>
>> I must get a pair of those lovely non-aero levers; besides, it would be 
>> an opportunity to finally by a HP 20 pump chuck. 
>>
>> Curious: Besides calling Jitensha, can you order the DC levers online 
>> anywhere? A quick Google (v,t) did not help. 
>>
>> Also, unrelated except by the Jitensha site: Has anyone used these 650 
>> latex tubes? 58 grams??? Those are lighter than the Schwalbe XL 559 X 42s I 
>> use on the Matthews, which are a burdensome 90 grams and cost a plebian $15 
>> each.
>>
>> 650 X 36-42B, latex super lightweight, made by Soyo, 34mm valve stem, 58g 
>>  $35.00 ea
>>
>> How neat would it be to have tubes that weigh the less than my extralight 
>> 571/559 X 23 mm (60 gr advertised, 70 grams actual) and cost more than some 
>> tires I've used?
>>
>> And I see that they still offer their wool-mix knickers and socks; 
>> wonderful. Since Rick Risemberg's store is long gone, it's good to know 
>> that really nice cycling knickers and socks are still available -- the Riv, 
>> Swrv, etc knickers I've used simply don't fit as well as the old fashioned 
>> type like these that are cut like regular street pants in waist and hips.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 6:27 PM Patch T <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've used a set of these Grand Bois "Chouette" long reach centerpulls 
>>> for a conversion, using a backing plate:
>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/brakes.html
>>>
>>> Decent value, great looks, maybe finicky to set up, but fantastic 
>>> braking power. I love my MiniMotos and love these, too. They have very 
>>> different feels, but are both very effective.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 9:37:19 AM UTC-4 Pierre wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi bunch - 
>>>>
>>>> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping power 
>>>> (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other bikes).
>>>>
>>>> Looking for an upgrade but looks like long reach Paul racer are no 
>>>> longer produced. What are my options lately? Anyone tried Rene Herse 
>>>> center 
>>>> pulls?
>>>>
>>>> (Even toying with idea of sending frame to Bilenky to add canti studs 
>>>> so I can run mini-motos but maybe a bit extreme...).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
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