I have a hunch that many people considering a very long setback post are 
more likely desiring more forward reach, for which changing the stem 
properly accomplishes. Moving your saddle further back than your optimal 
position over the bottom bracket for the sake of more forward reach is 
"going the wrong direction" !  Rivendell isn't alone as far as bike vendors 
in either downplaying or outright disregarding the importance and efficacy 
of proper stem length. 

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