There are plenty of gravel bikes designed around 650b out there.  For me, 
650b is the option on a bike designed for 700s to go really big.  Two 
wheelsets that I can swap back and forth - 700x42 (admittedly not small) 
and 650x47.

Will

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 7:36:04 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
> to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
> something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
> marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
> like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
> "country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
> what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
> there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
> that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  
>
> With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
> adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
> to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
> for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
> bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
> rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
> strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
>> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>>
>> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>>
>> Mod Zero <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
>> blackmtncycles.com <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
>> <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
>>
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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