Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone.
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote: > Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works. > > Justin, best of luck with your search! > > jared > > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: > >> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg] >> >> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >> >>> That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges. >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say >>>> yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. >>>> >>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding >>>>> my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am >>>>> going. >>>>> I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it >>>>> weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly >>>>> the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright >>>>> riding >>>>> position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars >>>>> are most ideal. >>>>> >>>>> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell >>>>> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my >>>>> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. >>>>> Kim Hetzel >>>>> Yelm, WA. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost >>>>>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. >>>>>> Leah >>>>>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has >>>>>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better >>>>>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two >>>>>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is >>>>>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it. >>>>>> Doug >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Johnny, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar >>>>>>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the >>>>>>> equation. >>>>>>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented >>>>>>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that >>>>>>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a >>>>>>> group, >>>>>>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference >>>>>>> between >>>>>>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon >>>>>>> dropbar >>>>>>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her >>>>>>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not >>>>>>>> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even >>>>>>>> lighter >>>>>>>> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be >>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. >>>>>>>> And at >>>>>>>> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG >>>>>>>> wheelbase >>>>>>>> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical >>>>>>>> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> be many things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good >>>>>>>> wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road >>>>>>>> focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and >>>>>>>> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> the two frames when stripped down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a >>>>>>>>> long time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and >>>>>>>>> wheels >>>>>>>>> and tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> Platy solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had >>>>>>>>> Analog >>>>>>>>> build both wheelsets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it >>>>>>>>> taxed me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 >>>>>>>>> lb >>>>>>>>> woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly >>>>>>>>> about a >>>>>>>>> Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club >>>>>>>>> racer >>>>>>>>> by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am shocked Leah....as someone who regularly takes a bike with >>>>>>>>> extra weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its >>>>>>>>> unfair >>>>>>>>> to label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would >>>>>>>>> probably make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for >>>>>>>>> club >>>>>>>>> rides but YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the >>>>>>>>> fact >>>>>>>>> that people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole >>>>>>>>> "heavy >>>>>>>>> and not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is >>>>>>>>> nothing specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than >>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> people treat them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater >>>>>>>>> stepoverability of the Clem but I DO understand the reason why it >>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>> labeled as lowly and slow. I just don't agree. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your >>>>>>>>>> side about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> nimble and fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But >>>>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>>>>> also haul a bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the >>>>>>>>>> Platy? >>>>>>>>>> Well, gravel rides aren’t ideal, I suppose. Also, I hardly ever see >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> Cheviot for sale. I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. >>>>>>>>>> I’ve >>>>>>>>>> wondered why, but that is a subject for another thread. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club >>>>>>>>>> riding. That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to >>>>>>>>>> the club >>>>>>>>>> ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem… >>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not >>>>>>>>>> quite good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> Platy it would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in >>>>>>>>>> trade >>>>>>>>>> Justin but like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a >>>>>>>>>> Platypus >>>>>>>>>> often. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice. >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>> entirely sure this is correct but I think James told me a few >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago >>>>>>>>>>>> that they're coming in Sergio Green. >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Capture.PNG] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana >>>>>>>>>>>>> Purple but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do >>>>>>>>>>>>> you know >>>>>>>>>>>>> what the second color will be? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to >>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>> something new. ☺️ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used >>>>>>>>>>>>>> price or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green plattys >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are released (September according to the most recent calendar?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am itching for something a little different. I rode Will's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platypus when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years I need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change it up ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before, they are the loveliest people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-rivendell-platypus-step-through-countrybike.html?id=63304938&quantity=1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clcycle.ca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-rivendell-platypus-step-through-countrybike.html?id=63304938&quantity=1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-rivendell-platypus-step-through-countrybike.html?id=63304938&quantity=1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platty frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trading for my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64 Clem (in Lime Olive). 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