Richard that's exactly what I did on a recent build. I used Paul Love Levers paired with Shimano M750s on my mountain bike. They work great.
I do run Paul Racer's on my Bleroit, but in 2007 they didn't seem like a major splurge (or time has warped my view). On Sun, Oct 8, 2023, 7:02 PM Richard Rose <rmros...@gmail.com> wrote: > Me, exactly! I did splurge on the Paul levers though.:) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:33 PM, larson....@gmail.com <larson.phot...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I > love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes > really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the > rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit) > on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the > frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted > the urge (so far). > Randy in WI > > On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same >> performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got >> from Riv. >> >> [image: Screenshot_20231007_114030.jpg] >> >> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote: >> >>> Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES! >>> >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke <wboe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will >>> wear flat to the rim surface. I suspect that will solve your problems. >>> >>> Will >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H. <krhe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used >>>> Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ? >>>> >>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill, >>>>> >>>>> Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they >>>>> hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after >>>>> 5 >>>>> months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and >>>>> need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in. >>>>> >>>>> Julia Westerhout >>>>> Bloomington, IL >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are >>>>>> properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. >>>>>> In >>>>>> the beginning there was no noise. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. >>>>>>> salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different >>>>>>> bikes >>>>>>> and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make >>>>>>> noise >>>>>>> no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in >>>>>>> particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any >>>>>>> existing >>>>>>> brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more >>>>>>> rigid >>>>>>> mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate >>>>>>> more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its >>>>>>> unique front end geometry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re >>>>>>> beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical >>>>>>> v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment >>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>> is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a >>>>>>> bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the >>>>>>> basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a >>>>>>> nice >>>>>>> accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they >>>>>>> can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as >>>>>>> well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa >>>>>>> just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty >>>>>>> show >>>>>>> bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a >>>>>>> week. >>>>>>> It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in >>>>>>> nature. >>>>>>> The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it >>>>>>> that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout < >>>>>>> weste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which brakes are they? Which pads are you using? Are they properly >>>>>>>> slightly toed in? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the >>>>>>>> squawking is due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type >>>>>>>> and/or setup. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Julian Westerhout >>>>>>>> Bloomington, IL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. >>>>>>>>> Now, however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, >>>>>>>>> sanded >>>>>>>>> the pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I >>>>>>>>> don’t >>>>>>>>> think that’s the problem. It’s embarrassing to ride at times. I’m >>>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>>> for suggestions to ease the noise. Thanks in advance. Bill >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a set of cantilevers and a set of center pulls, both >>>>>>>>>> purchased used off this list, I think. What I really like about >>>>>>>>>> both sets >>>>>>>>>> is how easy it is to disconnect and re-connect the straddle cables >>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>> wheel removal and installation so much easier. Even though I didn't >>>>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>>>> full retail they were still quite pricey compared to what I had. I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> regret my purchases at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill S >>>>>>>>>> San Diego >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Paul brakes are worth it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you buy, try and decide you don't like them you can sell them >>>>>>>>>>> for close to what you paid! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-5 Jay Riley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> PS: I'll always keep hydro brakes on the dual-suspension mtn >>>>>>>>>>>> bike. They're cool! The braking assignment is short, severe >>>>>>>>>>>> braking >>>>>>>>>>>> loads, as opposed to braking loads on a road or touring bike. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jay >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jay Riley, mobile 603-498-5199 <(603)%20498-5199> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:44 PM Jay Riley <jjri...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls" has >>>>>>>>>>>>> sent me back to cables and calipers on 2 of my bikes. Especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> if I'm in >>>>>>>>>>>>> hilly and mountainous terrain, especially especially when touring >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> moderate loads (35lbs) in that terrain, disc-brake pads wear out >>>>>>>>>>>>> way faster >>>>>>>>>>>>> than ol' fashioned brake pads. Hydraulic discs are super easy to >>>>>>>>>>>>> squeeze >>>>>>>>>>>>> and modulate, and although my thumbs are already arthritic I can >>>>>>>>>>>>> still stop >>>>>>>>>>>>> just fine w'cable brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay Riley, mobile 603-498-5199 <(603)%20498-5199> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:24 PM Patrick Moore < >>>>>>>>>>>>> bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, good to know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (stock on new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marginally greater >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the road but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the cable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pauls. Your results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how the Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hydraulics? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was just talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kampers would be as powerful and modulate as well without the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hydraulic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complication. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bike around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Gordon, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woot!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d8f39d12-2c9a-41d1-8a4b-d18763a33202n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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