One more remark. About 20 years ago when I was in my youthful late 40s I happened across a retired man who'd set up a sort of casual bike museum here in ABQ; can't remember his name or the location, but he had all sorts of nice old school road bikes; was it he or was it Dick "Call me Mister" Hallet of erstwhile local World Champion Bicycles who had an actual Reg Harris track bike on display?
At any rate, this man, probably then younger than I am now, but at least early 60s, was a short, slight fellow; perfect spinner type, you'd say. Nope, he had a 56T outer ring on his bike, IIRC, and when I remarked on it he told us with enthusiasm that he liked torquing that monster over at low r's pm. On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 5:03 PM Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > George: Physiologies and psychologies differ considerably among riders. > Me, I *like* standing and torquing up hills; I used to do this when > climbing a local 7-mile hill on a 70" or 75" fixed gear: stand for > half-a-mile-to-a-full-mile, sit for 30 seconds and strain your knees while > resting your lungs, then repeat. Even now in my decripit old age, I still > prefer to torque at slow r's pm than to get breathless spinning a > no-resistance gear. > > Neither is "better" for us recreational riders, as far as I can tell. > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:43 PM George Schick <bhim...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It kinda reminds me of a Star Trek episode in the first of the TV 60's >> series of the show entitled "A Taste of Armageddon" where the Enterprise >> has sent a landing party down to a planet that observes "theoretical >> warfare" against another planet in their solar system: >> >> - >> >> Spock <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000559/?ref_=tt_ch>: [after >> hearing Anan 7 explain their system of computerized warfare] There >> is a certain scientific logic about it. >> >> Anan 7 <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0649055/?ref_=tt_ch>: I'm glad >> you approve. >> >> Spock <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000559/?ref_=tt_ch>: I do *not* >> approve. I *understand*. >> - >> >> Ergo, I understand, but I do not necessarily approve of your method >> of pedaling. Seems to me like, when you have to stand up on a hill, it's >> like you're carrying two heavy bags of groceries up the stairs to a >> 4-story >> walk-up apartment, stomping on each step as you go, suffering. >> - >> >> Whereas, those who ride road bikes with drop bars lean forward on the >> grips of their handbrakes and stand on up on their pedals in a smooth back >> and forth motion like "dancing" (I really like Garth's analogy about >> that!) >> moving their body weight forward while gripping on the brake lever covers >> of their drop bars so they can easily shift their weight from side to side >> while climbing. >> - >> >> 'Course, there are also those who zoom up those slopes while seated, >> spinning their pedals at very high cadences, but I always assume they've >> been regulars at gym spin classes. >> >> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:18:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! >> wrote: >> >>> George, lol, that IS what I do. And I never knew there was really any >>> other way! I dislike the feeling of spinning. It feels wobbly and out of >>> control. So I don’t - I just leave it in the “hard” gear. BUT, I do shift >>> to an easier one at stop signs now. My knees were killing me tryng to race >>> up to speed from a dead stop and I didn’t want to hold up the riders behind >>> me. But you are probably right about my riding style. Huh. I never thought >>> about it. >>> >>> Max - hearts are coming out of my eyes looking at the yellow bike!!!!!! >>> What a lucky woman is yours!!!!!! >>> >>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 5:03 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'll probably get clobbered for my reply to this discussion - I'm used >>> to it - but from viewing the pics of Leah's bikes in this thread plus >>> others in previous threads, her bike always seems to be either in the >>> highest gear or at least the next to highest. And she has admitted to as >>> much in previous discussions that's how she likes it. And since she likes >>> the saddle moved as far as possible to the rear this means that she's using >>> the leverage of that angle while pulling back on the bar grips in order to >>> "stomp" as hard as possible on the pedals. Since she has the leg >>> development and strength to get away with that kind of riding due to her >>> weight training and other off-bike workouts, that's just how she's using to >>> riding. >>> >>> >>> Many of the rest of us old farts who learned road riding on a >>> diamond-framed bike with drop bars, having the saddle positioned more >>> closely to the center of the BB so we could "spin" the pedals at as high a >>> cadence (RPM) as possible, shifting gears when necessary in order to >>> maintain that cadence (which is how I assume the pro racers still learn to >>> ride). Which is probably why she gets some sideways looks by others in the >>> pace lines of her bike club. That's not how she's learned to ride for >>> whatever reason, so fiddling around with saddle position is likely to be a >>> problem, or as least a considerable adjustment for her. Anyway, that's my >>> 2¢. >>> >>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 3:27:57 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown >>> NJ wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I understand >>>> >>>> Moving the saddle back increases the saddle to bar distance by about >>>> 2.5cm. This indicates the frame/stem/bar combination was too SHORT. >>>> >>>> Then, You cut 1 cm from the bars. This increased the saddle to bar >>>> distance, indicating the frame/stem/bar combination was too SHORT, but >>>> is OK now. >>>> >>>> So you ended up increasing the saddle to bar distance 3.5 cm to get to >>>> an Acceptable position.. >>>> >>>> I think the Alba bar would be better based on this from the RBW write >>>> up on the Billie: >>>> 'The Billie straight grip section is 2" (5 cm) longer than an Alba." >>>> >>>> So an Alba with a 10cm stem would have a saddle to bar distance 1.5cm >>>> longer (5 - 3.5) than what you ended up. >>>> Replace the 10 cm stem with a 9cm and you are within 0.5cm (5mm) of >>>> where you are at. A 8cm stem would also work, just 5mm on the other side. >>>> A 8.5cm would be mathematically correct, but the 5mm either way probably >>>> cant be felt.. >>>> >>>> Leah is also in a too short condition, excess seatpost SB and max >>>> length stem.. The extra 5cm of straight grip length of the Billie >>>> contributes to the 'shortness' by having the LONG straight grip section. >>>> The fact that other Riv sisters had the same problem and they used Billie >>>> bars, indicate the Billie bar is the common problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> RBW supplies the Platy built up in Taiwan with a Tosco bar which has a >>>> sweep back about the same a s a Billie. So they seem to supply Platy's as >>>> too short due t9 the bar sweep back. >>>> >>>> John Hawrylak >>>> Woodstown NJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 02:45:29 PM EDT, Roberta < >>>> rcha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, John. >>>> >>>> I must have said it wrong. I moved my saddle AWAY from the bars, >>>> towards the rear end of my bike. I think that's called aft (I had to look >>>> it up). the bars were still too close, so I cut off 1cm (after a year of >>>> trying to feel OK). If the stem had come in an 11cm, I would have just >>>> done that. >>>> >>>> I ended in a good position, so like you said " then all is good in >>>> life." >>>> >>>> Roberta >>>> >>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, >>>> Woodstown NJ wrote: >>>> >>>> Roberta >>>> >>>> Pushing the saddle BACK to the back of the clamp, moves the saddle >>>> FORWARD the maximum amount. This indicates the saddle to bar distance is >>>> too long and your needed to reduce the reach. Maybe you pushed it too far >>>> forward, most Brooks have only 20 to 30mm of total fore/aft motion.. >>>> >>>> Did you cut 1cm off the bars after pushing forward the max amount??. >>>> Cutting the bars indicate the saddle to bar distance is too short, the >>>> opposite of your original action (push saddle forward). The 1 cm cut is >>>> within the range of Brooks adjustability. >>>> >>>> But if you ended in a good position, then all is good in life. >>>> >>>> John Hawrylak >>>> Woodstown NJ >>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:26:10 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote: >>>> >>>> I've had a few emails with other RivSisters who own Platys and there >>>> are quite a few of us who've commented on having to push one's saddle back >>>> as far as the rails could take it. >>>> >>>> I'm on a 55 Platy with 83cm pbh--one or two more than Leah AND I like >>>> my saddle high-- and would probably like mine back a touch more, but I'm >>>> unwilling to buy a new seat post. My stem is one of the Nitto extra tall >>>> ones with 10 cm, the longest they make for the extra high model. I ended >>>> up cutting (*"the horror"*) 1 cm off my Billie Bars. Her >>>> saddle/seatpost would be shorter than mine, closer to the handlebars, >>>> right?, so she might feel it more. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:02:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>> Ding! wrote: >>>> >>>> What’s weird is that I sized up! My PBH would technically fit the 50! >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Reflecting on all the setback talk, I *do *think the reach may be >>>> inherently a tad short for the rider in question. I'm the same height as >>>> Leah - possibly even shorter, I'm aging and shrinking! - and Grant designed >>>> my Rivendell with a 54.2 ST, 63 ETT to work with Boscos up way high. It's >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>> >>>> I love the new look. I also love the old look! Basically I just love >>>> that Raspberry Racing Platy ❤️❤️❤️ >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 6:52:55 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>> Ding! wrote: >>>> >>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite >>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and >>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the >>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I >>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it >>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, >>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. >>>> >>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving >>>> me the unvarnished truth. >>>> >>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally >>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but >>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my >>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips >>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint >>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the >>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only >>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some >>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. >>>> >>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and >>>> wholly appointed to its duty. >>>> >>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair >>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes… >>>> >>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters. >>>> Leah >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/u_2mo2hU3Xo/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f856ed0e-45fe-49ea-9831-aaacaa76a6b6n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f856ed0e-45fe-49ea-9831-aaacaa76a6b6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/u_2mo2hU3Xo/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7db68c7f-d35f-49b8-9ebd-be9e3ac3f547n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7db68c7f-d35f-49b8-9ebd-be9e3ac3f547n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/u_2mo2hU3Xo/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6d3960f-bde2-4542-9453-a32b46f975e7n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6d3960f-bde2-4542-9453-a32b46f975e7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1da8bdf9-9411-40bb-8d8d-9f6f0bcebc34n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1da8bdf9-9411-40bb-8d8d-9f6f0bcebc34n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *When thou didst not, savage,* > > *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* > > *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* > > *With words that made them known.* > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *When thou didst not, savage,* *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* *With words that made them known.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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