@Sarah,
I, too, decided to switch over from friction shifting in the back to 
indexing with leaving the friction shifter for the front. I found it very 
frustrating trying to find the right gears going uphill. It slowed my 
momentum. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:10:32 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yes, those big ring jumps along with my learning how to shift effectively 
> lead to some Ca- CHONK moments. Also I did index shifting for my rear 
> gears, and friction in the front and I am learning how to do that 
> gracefully. And I think I will be doing all index next time because it's 
> less ca-chonky. But that probably has a lot to do with me and my riding. I 
> am very happy on my 34 ring on the Atlantis and find myself longing for it 
> on my Platypus rides. But what I'm hearing is if I get a triple I can have 
> all my favorite options! 
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:34:51 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> This happens to me a lot, where I think I've got my bike quiver dialed 
>> perfectly but then my needs change, and riding with new or different groups 
>> is a prime example! It's also why my Hillborne keeps bouncing back between 
>> drop bars and Albatross bars.  I think the Homer makes perfect sense! 
>>
>> I'm going to suggest the Choco bar and a long stem, such as 12cm.  The 
>> Choco ought to be a great compromise between the Albastache and the 
>> Albatross; the 'stache is very forward feeling, much like reaching for the 
>> hoods on a drop bar, while the 'tross is very relaxed to the extent it is 
>> hard to get a comfortable 'hunched' position when you're climbing or 
>> pushing harder.  The Choco has a more natural feeling forward hand position 
>> thanks to its bend and flatter profile, but still sweeps back far enough 
>> that when you're cruising you don't need to have too much weight on your 
>> hands and shoulders.  I would run it with bar end shifters so you get full 
>> range of hand positions, and I really like the Paul levers because they are 
>> thin enough that I can put my hands such than one or two fingers is in 
>> front of the lever as well. 
>>
>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>
>> Other than that, lightweight wheels (A23's are great!) and tires (ie 
>> anything Rene Herse, but lots of other options too) and just avoiding 
>> putting unnecessary accessories on the bike will keep it pretty light. I 
>> love this whole plan! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 08:29:37 UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
>>> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
>>> ride!
>>>
>>> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! 
>>> Although I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike 
>>> habit.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>>>
>>>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>>>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>>>> zero. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>>>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red 
>>>> blood 
>>>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. 
>>>> That 
>>>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>>>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other 
>>>> things 
>>>> going.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>>>> bike can do. 
>>>>
>>>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>>>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>>>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the 
>>>> biggest 
>>>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>>>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>>>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear 
>>>> of 
>>>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>>>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>>>
>>>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>>>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one 
>>>> of the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Durant
>>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>>
>>>

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