Jay - I didn’t call the Surly a beater, just my commuter. I know it's a nice bike. It’s very utilitarian and bombproof, I just like riding the Rivs more is all. I like the idea of using the Surly in the salty months. I thought about that too. I’ve not needed studded tires over the last few years. I’m fine riding on the snow and then it seems to mostly melt off in a few days. Some patchy ice but I've dodged much of it successfully thus far. I guess it's one of the positives of global warming…doesn’t snow much here anymore.
Patrick - I love the idea of you popping in pushing your bike…one freehub paw click at a time George - Those are good points and there's a lot to be said about just riding a cheap but pleasant commuter to work. It makes sense to do, I’m just leaning toward not doing the sensible thing. I also didn’t say Indy was 1st world, sometimes I hear more gunshots here than I did on my two tours in Iraq, I do think that posing the question of “which $3k bike should I ride to work” does fit the bill as a “complaint or fairly minor problem associated with a relatively high standard of living”, aka 1st world prob. Maybe I should move to Denmark… I saw Kai’s mustard Clem H in Leah’s bike makeover thread and it got me questioning why I had these killer bikes sitting in the garage while the Surly gets all the work. Then that Cheviot in the Craigslist thread, oh and don’t get me started on Pam’s mixte. I like the Surly, don’t get me wrong, but it’s no Atlantis. I love seeing people’s well-used Rivendell bikes. On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote: > Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its > intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a > bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and > not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you > commute on a Rivendell Ginz? > > > Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved > and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my > residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a > cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry > about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. > > > Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that > killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least > here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my > daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your > bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? > > > Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the > drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have > the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the > wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. > > > Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I > do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to > steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, > all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is > just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the > mornings to show up covered in road sludge. > > > B - I agree > > > Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in > critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out > of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews > and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package > haul’n > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote: > >> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - >> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to >> the office. Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while >> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared >> and converted for commuting. It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, >> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher. >> >> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months >> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets >> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would >> theft. >> >> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that >> matter, as a 1st World country in particular? In many ways nowadays it is >> backsliding into 3rd World status. >> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike >>> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used >>> as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave >>> me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been >>> parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010. >>> >>> I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the >>> library at the start of a parish council meeting .... >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an >>>> office. >>>> >>>> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that >>>> your employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was >>>> always able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as a >>>> garage) and that solved many problems -- one huge advantage of always >>>> working for smaller organizations. >>>> >>>> Or what about locking the bike in a parking garage, out of the way of >>>> at least many casual thieves and vandals? >>>> >>>> But lastly: If I had had to park outside in the a place with "average" >>>> risk of theft, I'd have done 1 of 2 things: 1. get a beater that rides >>>> like >>>> my "good" bikes and build it for performance but make it look as ugly and >>>> cheap as I could; or: 2. uglify and simplify (strip as far as practical) >>>> one of my good bikes. and in each case, load it up with locks. I always >>>> commuted on fixed gears so that was already a big step in diminishing >>>> apparent resale value. >>>> >>>> But even more lastly: if there were no alternative and I had to risk >>>> theft of a $2.5K Clem or ride a bike that didn't feel as good -- I dunno, >>>> I'd be hard pressed to decide what to do. >>>> >>>> I've attached a (yes, another already) photo of my principal errand >>>> bike (I no longer commute to work) but I do errands and ride to church and >>>> other places on all of my bikes. New: hot-rodded ASC hub!!! >>>> >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 7:49 AM Josh C <getjosh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which >>>>> bike to use as my commuter. >>>>> >>>>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk >>>>> of my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike >>>>> 90% >>>>> of the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a >>>>> week. The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get >>>>> up, >>>>> or the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and >>>>> don't >>>>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't >>>>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a >>>>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on >>>>> my >>>>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things >>>>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, >>>>> dinners, drinks...you name it. >>>>> >>>>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here >>>>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I >>>>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate >>>>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but >>>>> I >>>>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more >>>>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue >>>>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a >>>>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the >>>>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more >>>>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a >>>>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it >>>>> for my daily driver. >>>>> >>>>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd >>>>> likely change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd >>>>> might as well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I >>>>> get >>>>> the Clem to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change >>>>> the >>>>> bars, add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno >>>>> hub, and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a >>>>> $1400 >>>>> rear hub and is easily over the $3K mark. >>>>> >>>>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've >>>>> owned several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that >>>>> I >>>>> have would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer >>>>> wheelbase & double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't >>>>> mind being loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with >>>>> a >>>>> dyno hub and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike >>>>> for >>>>> $3K this summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just >>>>> couldn't >>>>> pass it up as it was so cool! >>>>> >>>>> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for >>>>> 13 hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without >>>>> issue, >>>>> so why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy >>>>> riding? What am I saving it for? >>>>> >>>>> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to >>>>> work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you >>>>> commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? >>>>> >>>>> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your >>>>> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us >>>>> know if you lock it up outside or not. * >>>>> >>>>> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars) >>>>> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> My current all road bike >>>>> [image: IMG_0514 Medium.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> Not a commuter. I ride this guy around quite a bit though. >>>>> [image: IMG_0570 Medium.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> The Surly, although it now has had Jones bars on it for quite some >>>>> time. >>>>> [image: IMG_0230 Medium.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b602338b-6ee3-42e2-9b0f-8bb4b008098fn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b602338b-6ee3-42e2-9b0f-8bb4b008098fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>>> services. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> *When thou didst not, savage,* >>>> >>>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >>>> >>>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >>>> >>>> *With words that made them known.* >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>> services. >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> *When thou didst not, savage,* >>> >>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >>> >>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >>> >>> *With words that made them known.* >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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