To me, I don’t notice the weight on my normal rides and commutes, I have 
racks and gear and pull a trailer everywhere so weight is what it is. I do 
notice the weight when the trail disappears on a weekend trip and I’m 
lifting the bike and all my gear over or pushing/pulling under down trees. 
If I can save 12 lbs, I will have more fun on my trip. 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 7:40:27 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This (to me) is especially true when mountain biking. The trails I like 
> most have a LOT of short but very punchy climbs. The whole experience is 
> one of doing intervals, blasting the downhills but gathering strength for 
> the next climb. My road rides these days are much more chill, without any 
> of the fast accelerations in the pack from my youth. Odd then that my 
> heaviest bike is the one I ride on the trails. Alas & so it goes.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:03 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What makes a bike joyous is not 1 mph, 15 mph, or 23 mph, but the dynamic 
> changes between those velocities.  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-6 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
> NJ wrote:
>
>> Chris made some good points.   I am not justifying a heavy bike, merely 
>> pointing out what you can expect if you take that trip & 'go down the 
>> rabbit hole' wrt to reducing frame weight and overall weight including the 
>> rims/tires.  You may not get your kicks on Rt 66 ('when you take that CA 
>> trip...")
>>
>> Good point on wheels.   If you maintain a constant speed, you minimize 
>> the acceleration and reduce the effect wheels have.   But real world riding 
>> has a lot of acceleration , so lighter wheels help.  The biggest effect was 
>> probably the change from STEEL RIMS to AL RIMS in rotational inertial.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 08:05:11 PM EST, Chris Fly <
>> four...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> if you just look at the numbers, you can go down a long rabbit hole and 
>> certainly justify a heavy bike.. I agree 1mph isn't anything.. what you 
>> can't justify with numbers is what a heavy bike *feels* like when 
>> riding.. some heavier bikes certainly can "ride light", but many don't in 
>> my experience.. same with heavier wheels or tires, my 650b Hilsen with 
>> Rich-built wheels and 42mm Compass tires do NOT feel like they spin up as 
>> well as my Serotta with HED Belgium tires with 28mm Vittoria Corsas on it.. 
>>
>> I would never begrudge someone riding what they want to ride, but often, 
>> heavy is just that.. heavy..
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>> During a appearance on The Opiniated Cyclist, Richard Schwinn stated the 
>> following:  Reducing the bike weight by 12 lbm, increases your speed by 1 
>> mph, given the same power input from testing Schwinn did.    
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It will always have a dyno hub. I just can’t give up that kind of 
>> practicality. I didn’t know Paul components would save me any weight but 
>> I’m glad if they do. My Velo Orange levers were pretty feather-light 
>> already though. 
>>
>> I probably do have the Platy set up as light as I dare, save the 
>> drivetrain stuff from White Industries. And Richard has a good point that 
>> all that money would only save me a third of a pound.
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does the raspberry Platy still have a dyno hub? If so that would be a 
>> big gain as far as weight loss and lessening drag. Otherwise you have it 
>> set up fairly light from what I remember about your posts. Paul components 
>> will sure help shave some grams.
>>
>>
>> When weight is brought up the first thing Grant would say is take weight 
>> off the engine. Well I just took a massive amount of weight off the engine 
>> so I feel that I am now free and clear to be a weight weenie about the 
>> bike. :)
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