On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:
When I measured mine (a while ago) the bottom bracket on my 57(large) Gus was a full 2”! higher than on my 52 Clem. This single dimension makes these bikes quite different in my opinion. I love both bikes but use Gus for trail/MTB duties almost exclusively. The Clem is my bike for pretty much everything else. Having both I simply could not choose one to keep. Sophie’s Choice. I thought but cannot claim I know that Gus & Susie are more or less the same. Sent from my iPhone ^ Completely concur with this.^ They are very different bikes, no matter what the descriptions or adjacency in the hillibike category suggests. Mine are both early versions, respectively. ( clem H, and fillet susie. Both 700c though.) Current versions are slightly different ( clem has longer front, susie has ever-so-slightly lower bb, relative to my version) so my observations might not be 100% accurate. In each case, the changrs seem to be improvements. The higher bb on the Susie - and thus, rider's center of gravity - is the biggest difference. It's very noticable. But the chainstay length difference and frame stifness are notieable, too. I don't really feel the different steering geometry. If you want to ride trails, there's no question that the Susie is better. I'm kind of a bike snob, so I like the fillet (and/or lugged) construction better. And the current Susie colors are possibly the best ever. All that said (and despite the fact that, on paper, Susie is my dream bike to grow old with), I'd keep the Clem if I had to choose. Or, probably, have a custom made that is based in it. There's just nothing else like it out there. Supremely comfortable and one of very few bikes that I choose automatically when going for a ride. If I didn't have several other rigid mountain bikes that I can ride on trails, my answer would probably be different. On Mar 9, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Johnny Alien <[email protected]> wrote: A Susie would be a pretty lateral move from a Clem (by description and such) where as a Gus would be more stout. If the Clem covers the type of riding you like than the main difference would be style/visuals IMO. Which is 100% as good a reason as any other to swap frames. I love my Clem and am often tempted by the beauty of the Susie/Gus. On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 12:34:49 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote: Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think are the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? Ultimately, which would you choose to keep? FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. Thanks, IY [image: IMG_8169.JPG] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a8e1311-d774-44f2-91c3-f0ba6acfca54n%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a8e1311-d774-44f2-91c3-f0ba6acfca54n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3ce5620d-7c3d-4aae-bdb1-5a2c2bf823e4n%40googlegroups.com.
