> On Sep 12, 2025, at 1:09 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> someone said that Herons had lighter tubing than the old Riv Road 753 


Probably not. Heron frames (the originals from my era) are 8/5/8 TT and 9/6/9 
DT, and the stays aren’t especially light. The forks, on the other hand, are 
dreamy.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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